Yo Calif Bill
 

You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

Yo Calif Bill
 

5:18 PMKeyser Söze
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


"With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?"



SNERK! The FloriduhFunnyman couldn't touch you with a handful of fine gravel.

Yo Calif Bill
 

True North wrote:
5:18 PMKeyser Söze
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

"With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?"



SNERK! The FloriduhFunnyman couldn't touch you with a handful of fine gravel.

John isn't in Florida, dummy.

Yo Calif Bill
 

Ditzy Dan blathers...

"John isn't in Florida, dummy."



I am fully aware of that, dummy.
I'm just giving some credit to one of his associates, FlaJim, who fancies himself as some kind of comedian.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 14:35:14 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:


5:18 PMKeyser Söze
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


"With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?"



SNERK! The FloriduhFunnyman couldn't touch you with a handful of fine gravel.

Heard any more about your Bayliner? When are you supposed to get it?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

Last I heard...sometime in May, although the guy said it could be earlier depending on weather conditions. I just asked them for a few days heads up so I can get the Legend Xcalibur from under its Navigloo shelter and down off the blocks, install battery and dig out all the accessories and extras that belong to it.

Yo Calif Bill
 

John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!


Nope. Like this, but did not come with a lock.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Schlage-1...4862/203274524

I just run it through the handle on my Yamaha and either around the trailer
hitch assay, or around the leg of the camper if off the truck. Front legs
of my truck camper can only come off the ground if the camper is supported
on the truck.

Yo Calif Bill
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?



Probably a local liberal who can resell for drug money. Sell to another
Liberal, wanting a great deal.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:17:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Last I heard...sometime in May, although the guy said it could be earlier depending on weather conditions. I just asked them for a few days heads up so I can get the Legend Xcalibur from under its Navigloo shelter and down off the blocks, install battery and dig out all the accessories and extras that belong to it.

You're trading in the Excalibur, right? Did you get a decent deal on it, hopefully?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 20:26:58 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!


Nope. Like this, but did not come with a lock.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Schlage-1...4862/203274524

I just run it through the handle on my Yamaha and either around the trailer
hitch assay, or around the leg of the camper if off the truck. Front legs
of my truck camper can only come off the ground if the camper is supported
on the truck.

What if someone just sawed off the plastic handle? That seems to be, from what I read
on the internet, what happens to some of these small generators with the plastic
handles. I just ordered the steel handle cover and cable. I suppose they could cut
through the steel also, but hopefully it would take a bit more time.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

Yo Calif Bill
 

ohn H.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:17:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Last I heard...sometime in May, although the guy said it could be earlier depending on weather conditions. I just asked them for a few days heads up so I can get the Legend Xcalibur from under its Navigloo shelter and down off the blocks, install battery and dig out all the accessories and extras that belong to it.

"You're trading in the Excalibur, right? Did you get a decent deal on it, hopefully?"

Reasonable. Was offered a couple grand more on a travel trailer by the Legend dealer who also sells rv's, motorcycles and snowmobiles. On trade-ins they subtract the value of your trade-in from the new item before applying the 15pef cent tax, so doubt I could,X have sold mine for more on a private sale.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

It's the non-decent non-campers, like yourself, who are cause for concern.

I suppose you take that 17KW with you on your shooting trips to the Shenandoah, eh?
Use it to frighten away the hordes of feral dogs and kitty cats?
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/16 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

It's the non-decent non-campers, like yourself, who are cause for concern.

I suppose you take that 17KW with you on your shooting trips to the Shenandoah, eh?
Use it to frighten away the hordes of feral dogs and kitty cats?
--


The cabin has 'lectricity and running water nowadays.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:52:42 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator.. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

hmmm, throwing insults. Just like Trump, Harry will you run as his VP?

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/16 11:31 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:52:42 AM UTC-6, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

hmmm, throwing insults. Just like Trump, Harry will you run as his VP?


JohnnyRancorous supports Trump and will vote for him if he is the
nominee. Both Johnny and Trump are racists.

Yo Calif Bill
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like
yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.


Lots of non-decent non-campers about.

Yo Calif Bill
 

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 20:26:58 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!


Nope. Like this, but did not come with a lock.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Schlage-1...4862/203274524

I just run it through the handle on my Yamaha and either around the trailer
hitch assay, or around the leg of the camper if off the truck. Front legs
of my truck camper can only come off the ground if the camper is supported
on the truck.

What if someone just sawed off the plastic handle? That seems to be, from what I read
on the internet, what happens to some of these small generators with the plastic
handles. I just ordered the steel handle cover and cable. I suppose they could cut
through the steel also, but hopefully it would take a bit more time.
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!


Locks and cables are so they look somewhere else.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:54:05 -0500 (EST), fire man wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 3/3/16 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

It's the non-decent non-campers, like yourself, who are cause for concern.

I suppose you take that 17KW with you on your shooting trips to the Shenandoah, eh?
Use it to frighten away the hordes of feral dogs and kitty cats?
--


The cabin has 'lectricity and running water nowadays.



But still, your contingent of gun heros share one bed. No need to
upgrade that amenity , eh?

"Whose barrel is that?"
--

Ban liars, tax cheats, idiots, audiophools, and narcissists...not guns!

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/16 12:31 PM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 11:54:05 -0500 (EST), fire man wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 3/3/16 10:41 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--


With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?

It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.



Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

It's the non-decent non-campers, like yourself, who are cause for concern.

I suppose you take that 17KW with you on your shooting trips to the Shenandoah, eh?
Use it to frighten away the hordes of feral dogs and kitty cats?
--


The cabin has 'lectricity and running water nowadays.



But still, your contingent of gun heros share one bed. No need to
upgrade that amenity , eh?

"Whose barrel is that?"
--

Ol' BrokenHip FlaJim, of course, has no idea what the contents of the
cabin might be.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.

I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 08:56:13 -0800, Califbill billnews wrote:

Locks and cables are so they look somewhere else.

Yup it really only hinders people without tools.
The guy who makes up boat lift cables for me has a cutter that just
eats 3/8" SS cable.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/16 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.

I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200


Plus autoswitch box, base, heavy cables, rewiring, perhaps a buried gas
line of 100 feet, trenching, permits and licensed electric and gas
contractors, and you're up to $8000 to $10,000, depending upon area.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 14:45:14 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/3/16 2:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.

I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200


Plus autoswitch box, base, heavy cables, rewiring, perhaps a buried gas
line of 100 feet, trenching, permits and licensed electric and gas
contractors, and you're up to $8000 to $10,000, depending upon area.

This comes with the transfer switch. Wiring and gas will be more tho.
It cost me 1500 for a buried propane tank and connection to the pool
heater (total with a tank of gas). I would not pay for the electrical
part other than materials and a $135 permit. If I was going to do
something like this, I would set it right next to my pool heater, use
the existing gas setup and wiring back to the panel is about 35'
inside the garage. I am just not sure why I would want another
generator since I have one that is still new in the box. FPL has been
real good about keeping the lights on here.
Virtually every outage we have had since Charley was within the
capabilities of my UPS units.
A lot of time we don't even know the lights are out unless we go into
another room and turn a light on.
The TV, DVRs and computers are all on UPS here.

Yo Calif Bill
 

True North wrote:
ohn H.
On Wed, 2 Mar 2016 17:17:21 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Last I heard...sometime in May, although the guy said it could be earlier depending on weather conditions. I just asked them for a few days heads up so I can get the Legend Xcalibur from under its Navigloo shelter and down off the blocks, install battery and dig out all the accessories and extras that belong to it.
"You're trading in the Excalibur, right? Did you get a decent deal on it, hopefully?"

Reasonable. Was offered a couple grand more on a travel trailer by the Legend dealer who also sells rv's, motorcycles and snowmobiles. On trade-ins they subtract the value of your trade-in from the new item before applying the 15pef cent tax, so doubt I could,X have sold mine for more on a private sale.


"15pef cent tax, so doubt I could,X have sold mine for more on a private sale."

The master spell-checker FAILS again!

Yo Calif Bill
 

fire man wrote:
Keyser Söze Wrote in message:
On 3/3/16 6:35 AM, John H. wrote:
On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:18:59 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/2/16 2:20 PM, John H. wrote:
You mentioned something sold by Home Depot for securing the generator. Was this what
you were talking about:

http://tinyurl.com/zb2dt5v
--

With all your firearms and prowess with them, can't you defend a little
generator, or perhaps, "camp" near a better crowd of hillbillies?
It's not the other campers that are a worry. It's non-camping folks like yourself who wander in looking for easy pickings.


Not to worry, JohnnyRancorous...all the decent non-campers drive right
by your white-hooded, banjo-playing, spicy food hootenannies, and
besides, I already have a 17KW generator.

Yes we know. You installed it to keep your CPAP running in stormy
weather..

Instead of paying taxes and debts.

Yo Calif Bill
 

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.

Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/16 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.



$3500 seems a fair price for the 17KW unit, which has been discontinued.
We paid more because it was still current when we bought it.

We didn't opt for a Greggy Homeowner installation, so:

1. a Licensed master electrician made a home visit working up usage and
capacities and startup power need in order to properly size what was
needed. He also did an outdoor survey to place the unit according to
code. We also bought a couple of accessories.

2. Two laborers came out to prepare the ground (hilly), and place the
gravel bed, the surround, the base, and place and level the unit where
the electrician indicated.

3. a Licensed master plumber came out to check our existing 500 gallon
tank and specify the location, size and quality of the 100+ of buried
gas line that would be necessary. His apprentice ran a trenching machine
to cut the trench, either 18" or 24" deep, I don't recall, to run the
buried copper gas line to the generator. The county plumbing inspector
came out to look at the trench and the gas line.

4. Two Licensed electricians came out to wire the unit to the new auto
switch and run wires between our two panels to the new switch. Their
apprentice dug a ditch to bury the wires from the generator to the house
and to drill a hole through the concrete foundation walls to reach the
new panel.

5. The next day, the county's gas and electrical inspectors came out,
inspected, approved, and the unit was fired up by the electrician and
plumber, and the trench buried.

I understand this is not how you would do it. But it is the way we had
it done. The price was just under $9000 if memory serves.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/16 1:00 PM, Tim wrote:
11:46
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
- show quoted text -
If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.
--------
Some people think that if it costs way more then it has to be better.


Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/2016 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.



I remember pricing some whole home generators at the time. I also
looked at one that could be driven off the front power take-off of my
John Deere tractor. At that time a 15Kw to 20Kw generator was
considerably more than $3,500. More like $5k to $8k just for the
generator and depending on size. Maybe prices have come down on some.
I don't know.

Yo Calif Bill
 

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2016 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.



I remember pricing some whole home generators at the time. I also
looked at one that could be driven off the front power take-off of my
John Deere tractor. At that time a 15Kw to 20Kw generator was
considerably more than $3,500. More like $5k to $8k just for the
generator and depending on size. Maybe prices have come down on some.
I don't know.




Greg would have done the install for $149.99 and a six pack of Miller Lite.
😵

--
Sent from my iPhone 6+

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:31:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:


$3500 seems a fair price for the 17KW unit, which has been discontinued.
We paid more because it was still current when we bought it.


You certainly wouldn't want any "old style" electricity.

We didn't opt for a Greggy Homeowner installation, so:

I understand this is not how you would do it. But it is the way we had
it done. The price was just under $9000 if memory serves.

I understand that without any skills yourself, you are at the mercy of
the trades you have to hire

Yo Calif Bill
 

On 3/4/2016 1:33 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/4/16 1:00 PM, Tim wrote:
11:46
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
- show quoted text -
If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.
--------
Some people think that if it costs way more then it has to be better.


Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.


In some places it's the only way to get a permit to do it
and it can become a problem if major changes or additions
are made to a property by DIY'ers when it comes time to sell it.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:33:03 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/4/16 1:00 PM, Tim wrote:
11:46
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:
- show quoted text -
If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.
--------
Some people think that if it costs way more then it has to be better.


Some people would prefer to have the job done by properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers.

Yeah, those guys never screw anything up. Remember, I was an inspector
for 8 years, looking at the work these "properly trained,
experience, and insured licensed contractors and workers" did.

Yo Calif Bill
 

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 13:42:27 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/4/2016 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 02:37:36 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/3/2016 8:48 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 19:46:07 -0500, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 3 Mar 2016 07:52:40 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

I already have a 17KW generator.
I just got an ad that brags about a new in the box Generac 17KW
Standby Generator - $3200



Sounds about right.


Yup and the idea that it would cost $10,000 to install it is
ludicrous.


When we put our pool in back in 2007 the electrical contractor suggested
putting in a generator (propane fueled) of about the same
Kw as Harry's system. We ran the electrical wiring for it since we were
digging trenches for the pool/cabana wiring and manifolding but we
decided to hold off on putting in the generator. His quote for
everything (generator, auto switching system, wiring and propane hookup)
was in the $8K to $9K range, so $10K or so today doesn't sound ludicrous
to me.

If you can get the generator for $3500, why would it cost $6500 to
hook it up? I suspect they were charging you quite a bit more for the
gen set. It sounds like you already had most of the infrastructure in
place anyway.
In my case the gas line is roughed in with a valve on a capped pipe
(when they plumbed in the pool heater) and I would need about 50' of
2ga aluminum SER cable ($80 or so). I doubt I would spend more than
$300-400 to install it. This thing comes with the transfer switch. I
thought that was a good price but Harry would not let that stand.



I remember pricing some whole home generators at the time. I also
looked at one that could be driven off the front power take-off of my
John Deere tractor. At that time a 15Kw to 20Kw generator was
considerably more than $3,500. More like $5k to $8k just for the
generator and depending on size. Maybe prices have come down on some.
I don't know.




Greg would have done the install for $149.99 and a six pack of Miller Lite.
?

Pabst Blue Ribbon!