On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping, killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/16/15 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping, killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--


Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?

My primary concern about the evils of religious-osity is how it is
practiced in *this* country. In this country, it is mostly Christian
extremists who push their superstitious and ignorant beliefs onto the
public outside of churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:48:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/16/15 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping, killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--


Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?


So the killing, raping, beheading, etc. being practiced by Muslims now is OK, because
centuries ago Christians were doing it.

That's Krause logic, eh? WADumFoch!

My primary concern about the evils of religious-osity is how it is
practiced in *this* country. In this country, it is mostly Christian
extremists who push their superstitious and ignorant beliefs onto the
public outside of churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera.


But it's OK for Muslims to push their belief in public, eh? You're a joke, Krause!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!

On 11/16/2015 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:48:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/16/15 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping, killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--


Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?


So the killing, raping, beheading, etc. being practiced by Muslims now is OK, because
centuries ago Christians were doing it.

That's Krause logic, eh? WADumFoch!

My primary concern about the evils of religious-osity is how it is
practiced in *this* country. In this country, it is mostly Christian
extremists who push their superstitious and ignorant beliefs onto the
public outside of churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera.


But it's OK for Muslims to push their belief in public, eh? You're a joke, Krause!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


Harry thinks if he keeps his head buried in the sand, with regard to
world affairs, he won't get it lopped off by crazy muslim with a sword.

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 08:01:19 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?


So the killing, raping, beheading, etc. being practiced by Muslims now is OK, because
centuries ago Christians were doing it.

Harry only looks back when it is convenient to his point. He doesn't
want to talk about all of those New England sailors who were loading
black people on ships and bringing then to the new world for money,
abusing them below deck and throwing the dead or uncooperative ones
over the side. He doesn't even want to talk about the brand of
apartheid that is going on in the West bank

On 11/16/15 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 08:01:19 -0500, John H.
wrote:

Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?


So the killing, raping, beheading, etc. being practiced by Muslims now is OK, because
centuries ago Christians were doing it.

Harry only looks back when it is convenient to his point. He doesn't
want to talk about all of those New England sailors who were loading
black people on ships and bringing then to the new world for money,
abusing them below deck and throwing the dead or uncooperative ones
over the side. He doesn't even want to talk about the brand of
apartheid that is going on in the West bank


I don't recall your leading a discussion on the importation of slaves to
this country. Were those New Englanders Muslims?

The so-called Palestinians have had many opportunities for peace. They
don't want it.

On 11/16/15 8:01 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:48:08 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/16/15 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping, killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--


Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?


So the killing, raping, beheading, etc. being practiced by Muslims now is OK, because
centuries ago Christians were doing it.

That's Krause logic, eh? WADumFoch!

My primary concern about the evils of religious-osity is how it is
practiced in *this* country. In this country, it is mostly Christian
extremists who push their superstitious and ignorant beliefs onto the
public outside of churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera.


But it's OK for Muslims to push their belief in public, eh? You're a joke, Krause!
--

Ban idiots, not guns!


If you were capable of thinking, you'd know I've never said or implied
any such thing. There should be a "kiddie table" here for you and your
buddies, who seem determined to prove your stupidity over and again.

On 11/16/2015 7:48 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/16/15 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 06:24:25 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 11/15/15 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:26:27 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I don't think it was a knee jerk at all. I believe most people
understand the chinese tolerate religion as long as it doesn't
threaten their idea of the general order or challenge the central
government.


Pretty much how it's supposed to work here.


I tend to agree with Harry that we may have tipped the other way too
far. When Democrats have to go to prayer breakfasts to get elected, we
may be letting the church run our life a tad too much and they have
destroyed the GOP.
On the other hand the Harry's of the world are pressing too hard not
to ever see any sign of the religions too.

When there is enough politically correct pressure that Starbucks can't
put a santa clause on a coffee cup, we have lost our way


I have no objections to reasonable religious practices "practiced" in
churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera, or even the occasional
"let us pray" nonsense that creeps into the non-church environment. My
objection to religion is when its proponents push it into the public
sector, when it attempts to pass laws that restrict those who believe
differently, when it insinuates itself into public schools, et cetera.

Unless it's Islam, correct? Then the pushing, beheading, raping,
killing, and other
public 'practices' are OK, eh Krause?
--


Those would be the practices the Muslims learned from Christians, right,
Johnnycakes? Because, as we all know, Christians engaged in these
practices before there was a Muslim religion and after the Muslim
religion came about. You know the old Christian battle cry, right? The
one that goes "Convert or die"?

My primary concern about the evils of religious-osity is how it is
practiced in *this* country. In this country, it is mostly Christian
extremists who push their superstitious and ignorant beliefs onto the
public outside of churches, homes, religious schools, et cetera.




Whew. For a minute there I thought you were going to blame it on GWB.