John, my guns are well behaved too!

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John, my guns are well behaved too!

In the week ending June 18, there were 15 homicides in Chicago. Not one of them made
the local news here. Almost all were by gunshot, and the vast majority of those
killed were black males. Yet, no mention in the news.

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.
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Guns don't cause problems.
Gun owner behavior causes problems.

On 6/30/2015 5:30 PM, John H. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John, my guns are well behaved too!

In the week ending June 18, there were 15 homicides in Chicago. Not one of them made
the local news here. Almost all were by gunshot, and the vast majority of those
killed were black males. Yet, no mention in the news.

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:29:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

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Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:29:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

===

Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.

How many murders occur in Chicago with legally owned guns?

On 6/30/2015 7:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:29:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

===

Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.


How many of those illegally owned guns started out as "legally" owned guns?

It's a start. All it involves is a requirement for a background check
and registration of the firearm to establish a chain of custody.

No big deal and no infringement of anyone's "rights".

On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:34:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

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Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.


How many of those illegally owned guns started out as "legally" owned guns?

It's a start. All it involves is a requirement for a background check
and registration of the firearm to establish a chain of custody.

No big deal and no infringement of anyone's "rights".

===

There is quite a lot of evidence to show that law enforcement officers
almost never try to trace the chain of custody with a murder weapon.
Their primary focus, as it should be, is on apprehending the
perpetrator and any accomplices.

Registration of all firearms is the first step down the slippery slope
of taxation, regulation and confiscation. It would also create a
nation of law breakers. Be careful what you ask for, and do not
always assume that government has your best interests at heart.

On 6/30/2015 9:03 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:34:13 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

===

Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.


How many of those illegally owned guns started out as "legally" owned guns?

It's a start. All it involves is a requirement for a background check
and registration of the firearm to establish a chain of custody.

No big deal and no infringement of anyone's "rights".

===

There is quite a lot of evidence to show that law enforcement officers
almost never try to trace the chain of custody with a murder weapon.
Their primary focus, as it should be, is on apprehending the
perpetrator and any accomplices.

Registration of all firearms is the first step down the slippery slope
of taxation, regulation and confiscation. It would also create a
nation of law breakers. Be careful what you ask for, and do not
always assume that government has your best interests at heart.



Could it be that law enforcement doesn't bother tracing the chain of
custody simply because there isn't one?

I understand the slippery slope concerns but I am not a believer that
confiscation is in the cards ... other than for those who obtain
firearms illegally and without undergoing a background check. That's
the whole point.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/30/2015 7:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:29:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

===

Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.


How many of those illegally owned guns started out as "legally" owned guns?

It's a start. All it involves is a requirement for a background check
and registration of the firearm to establish a chain of custody.

No big deal and no infringement of anyone's "rights".

You can not stop car thefts, boat thefts, home burglary, etc. how can all
gun thefts can be prevented?

On 7/1/2015 3:29 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/30/2015 7:57 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:29:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

One might think we should focus on the *behavior* of the folks committing the
homicides rather than attempting to build a bureaucracy around gun paperwork.



How do you focus on the "behavior" of people committing homicides with
guns if you don't know who has the guns in the first place?

===

Almost all of those guns are illegally owned. It is totally naive to
think that a new law or two will change that.


How many of those illegally owned guns started out as "legally" owned guns?

It's a start. All it involves is a requirement for a background check
and registration of the firearm to establish a chain of custody.

No big deal and no infringement of anyone's "rights".

You can not stop car thefts, boat thefts, home burglary, etc. how can all
gun thefts can be prevented?



Never said "all". I am realistic about that.

We all agree that guns in the hands of nutcases or those of criminal
intent is a danger in our society. Yet, whenever a suggestion or
proposal is made to try to limit their availability (with absolutely no
affect on responsible gun ownership), the answers range from "it won't
work" to the slippery slope argument. So, nothing changes ... in fact
the problem only becomes worse. Eventually it will become a problem
that simply cannot be ignored with corrective measures far more severe
than a background check and gun registration.

In other words, if it cannot be managed ... eventually they will be
banned. When that happens those who refuse to try to fix it now will
wish they had.