Gould 0738 wrote:
Harry the liar. Proveyour statements.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Backyard Renegade wrote:

Bought and paid for... Nice sales pitch, what did you get out of it?
Yeah, I know, the better your article, the more articles you get to
write. Stick to political shills here, and high fiving Harry and Jps,
leave the boating to those of us that are here for that.


Doesn't Renegade's post prove itself?

Renegade responds to an on-topic post with an insulting remark, suggests that
the poster refrain from making any further on-topic posts, and then insists
that he's "here for the boating."

Seems odd, but it's consistent with other threads posted today.



Chuck I wasn't going to say anything but now the subject of yet another
cheering not critically reviewed ad piece has been raised & accepting
you'll never confirm that this was the same boat originally supplied
with dangerous steering which did fail & yes you we OK but it was more
good luck that good management.

So I'm surprised you describe the hull construction as;

Cat Concepts elected to use knitted, rather than woven fiberglass cloth in the
hull and deck laminates. Woven cloth is considerably cheaper and considered the
industry "standard," but knitted fabrics are much stronger. The hull is balsa
cored, while the deck and superstructure are cored with foam. Vinylester resins
are employed in all hull laminations below the waterline to retard osmotic
blistering, and polyester resins used throughout the remainder of the boat.


This smacks of an all too light construction method better suited to
racing yachts (the spruik seems to want to make a virtue of that but
....geez louise given the "southern designers priors with yachts.) Racing
yachts can be light & strong but alas they can also be very short lived.

Most of those "we saved some weight" spruikers are more interested in
saving the money that weight would have cost them & as for a balsa cored
"hull" below the waterline??? what since the 70s??

Anyway I'm sure you ran this past some of your many knowledgeable boat
builders, although you probably had trouble understanding their answers,
given they were giggling so much.

Apart from the under spec (read "we saved some money") steering that
failed in a magazine test it seems the general trend continues &
everything that should set your alarm bells ringing is put to you & you
then accept it, as a virtue??

It may or may not interest you that some "southern" yacht designers
were running amok down here some years ago & some would say they were
responsible for deaths (not me mind you just "some") we had keels
falling off, lots of hull failures in yacht races etc etc & of course
nobody would own up to it being their fault, the designers blamed the
builders & visa versa . Eventually they had to change the rules so now
"any" design has to get an ABS (American Bureau of Shipping) certificate
on the hull design & scantlings or they're not allowed to even be in an
ocean race. Pretty much settled the argument that the designers they
were chasing light weight at the cost of a safe hull.

I don't know if you followed the america's cup this year?? but the
Swiss (of all people) won it, after the "southern" designed NZ boat all
but fell to bits. Some years agao an Aussie Americas' cup boat broke in
half outright!!

So be careful when the spruikers start on this crap about how clever
they are, they're usually doing a ficht, testing with consumer's money.

K

Chuck I wasn't going to say anything but now the subject of yet another
cheering not critically reviewed ad piece has been raised & accepting
you'll never confirm that this was the same boat originally supplied
with dangerous steering which did fail & yes you we OK but it was

Au contraire! Read the first two lines of the post again. I did confirm that
it was the same boat. (Your oversight is forgiven.)

Most of those "we saved some weight" spruikers are more interested in
saving the money that weight would have cost them & as for a balsa cored
"hull" below the waterline??? what since the 70s??

There's darn little hull below the waterline on a cat. And many manufacturers
still build cored hulls, on some very expensive vessels.



Apart from the under spec (read "we saved some money") steering that
failed in a magazine test it seems the general trend continues &
everything that should set your alarm bells ringing is put to you & you
then accept it, as a virtue??

There is more than one proper way to build a boat.

It's possible to do a quality job with a number of different techniques. I will
say this; the hull on this vessel is as *tight* as
anything its size category.

Gould 0738 wrote:
Chuck I wasn't going to say anything but now the subject of yet another
cheering not critically reviewed ad piece has been raised & accepting
you'll never confirm that this was the same boat originally supplied
with dangerous steering which did fail & yes you we OK but it was


Au contraire! Read the first two lines of the post again. I did confirm that
it was the same boat. (Your oversight is forgiven.)

Thanks, I was assuming & yes I shouldn't, but it seems the top bit was
to us in the NG?? who had seen the previous story?? did you make it
clear in the review??

Regardless thanks for the forgiveness:-)


Most of those "we saved some weight" spruikers are more interested in
saving the money that weight would have cost them & as for a balsa cored
"hull" below the waterline??? what since the 70s??


There's darn little hull below the waterline on a cat. And many manufacturers
still build cored hulls, on some very expensive vessels.

There are lots of "cored" hulls but the trend for some time now has
been not to core below the waterline BUT the point was this is balsa
cored. Modern core materials are all but impervious to moisture, not so
balsa & a balsa cored hull has well known risks attached, which your
article should have at least made mention of.

There's lots of "hull" in the water on a cat, indeed that's the problem
they're very load sensitive together with being power & fuel hungry for
that very reason.




Apart from the under spec (read "we saved some money") steering that
failed in a magazine test it seems the general trend continues &
everything that should set your alarm bells ringing is put to you & you
then accept it, as a virtue??


There is more than one proper way to build a boat.


It's possible to do a quality job with a number of different techniques. I will
say this; the hull on this vessel is as *tight* as
anything its size category.


"Tight" come on Chuck, the readers can comment he-) if you rang
around the constructors of similar sized boats, gave them the
construction method (end grain balsa core all over) & the final weight
they all say yes a good racing hull, but then they're not selling those
they're selling fishing general purpose boats which given the pricing
the owner is entitled to think will last & reflect that in resale.

The BS about glass & the use of vinyl ester resin (like most others) is
just marketing spruik.

Anyway we have a different perspective that's all.

K


Some of Harry's very recent lies, he has lied from day one & continues;

This is a person who has NEVER not once been able to join even a coastal
navigation thread, much less celestial, no matter he does & never has
owned a boat,the charter boats he occasionally pays to be taken out on
wouldn't tell him anything, other than not to come back. He makes these
lies up as he goes along.


I got a Tamaya for my 10th Anniversary. It's a lovely instrument.

I did own two plastic sextants some years ago, but I got rid of one of
them. The Tamaya was a recent anniversary gift. But I said that. Are you
just plain stupid?

Weems & Plath doesn't make the sextants you show on that page, Mark.
They simply sell them. As they sell or sold the plastic sextants I had.
But if you bought one of those Tamayas from W&P, you certainly could say
it was a W&P Sextant, just as W&P says they are, on the page you cited,
under the heading:

If you are referring to my two plastic sextants, one was purchased new
from Weems & Plath and I bought the other used from a fellow who said he
got it at Weems. Ergo, they came from Weems & Plath. They're Davis
sextants, of course, the guys who make the popular-priced plastic sextants.

K Smith wrote:


There are lots of "cored" hulls but the trend for some time now has
been not to core below the waterline BUT the point was this is balsa
cored. Modern core materials are all but impervious to moisture, not so
balsa & a balsa cored hull has well known risks attached, which your
article should have at least made mention of.


Some modern core materials are all but impervious to moisture, but not
all of them. There have been problems with some of the foam materials.



The BS about glass & the use of vinyl ester resin (like most others) is
just marketing spruik.

Oh? Now you are an expert on fiberglass chemistry and production? Based
upon what? Your years of sniffing epoxy?



Some of Harry's very recent lies, he has lied from day one & continues;

This is a person who has NEVER not once been able to join even a coastal
navigation thread, much less celestial,

Oh, I'm quite able, I just choose not to do so.







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