On 3/15/15 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet?

That was what was added to 7.


Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7.

I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on
XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change.
Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make
money if people just say "I'm good".

When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the
people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful.



Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash
registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging
software packages.

The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7
computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting
departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software
that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used
in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines
were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume
they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1.

XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS
but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces
the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7
and 8 can.



You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling
reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100
work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a
reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in
concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging
incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual
improvements in productivity.


My wife, who uses some top drawer database applications but who stays as
far away as possible from "interfacing" with the OS, isn't reporting any
problems with Win 7 on her home office computer, aside from occasionally
recalcitrant peripheral hardware issues. One annoying one: if she is
VPN'ing to the downtown office/servers and wants to print out something
locally, it is cumbersome to make that happen because the downtown gear
wants her to use one of the printers at those offices.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 3/15/2015 9:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


===

Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally
sucks.

Windows 7 is the good one.

I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox.


No surprise.



I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox.
I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally
on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well.
Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos.

It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing
a required Flash driver.


You have to use a flash plugin in Firefox. And Mozilla makes no bones
about what it thinks of Flashplayer. It can be made to work in most
cases, though. Just don't give it more authority than you have to.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 9:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


===

Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally
sucks.

Windows 7 is the good one.

I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox.


No surprise.



I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox.
I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally
on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well.
Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos.

It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing
a required Flash driver.


Don't feel bad, I've not either.

If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any
place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash
Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut
down the program with Task Manager.

If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window,
everything operates just fine.

So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll
open and use Firefox.

Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out.

It's not worth fretting about.

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 10:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:32:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


===

Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally
sucks.

Windows 7 is the good one.

Nobody has showed me a compelling reason to get rid of XP.

If your applications do not change, why should your computer change?

I find it amusing that harry, who normally likes to rail on about how
corporations screw consumers, falls for this planned obsolescence
scam.
They are tricking the public into throwing away perfectly good systems
and buying new ones, not getting any real productivity gain, only
pumping up the bottom line of Microsoft and the off shore hardware
manufacturers.

I know this will make harry's head explode but I just got the duty of
managing boat ramp keys and I am doing it on dBase IV, the DOS
version.
This is a pure text operation and I am consolidating data from 4
separate systems that do not talk to each other. I know of no windoze
application that would do it without massive amounts of new data
entry.

It actually felt good to dust off my old coding skills and write the
routines that were able to merge all of these formats into a single
searchable database.

I have an old Thinkpad with DOS 6,3 loaded on it and I am thinking
about putting the key application on it just for old times sake ;-)

This is a P1 100 machine with 64 meg on it and DOS runs like a scalded
dog. You can "ramdisk" all of your DASD into memory and crunching
databases really screams. These databases really only have 400 records
in one and 130 in the other so it is fast anyway.

I am also working on the interactive map application that will let you
click on a lot and get all of the data for that owner, similar to the
LEEPA..ORG property appraiser site. That will be web based so it is a
it more GUI intensive. I am still using my dBase application to
develop the data for that application, exporting it as TXT files that
the web site will access.



It's obvious that for your personal requirements the older generation
operating systems are fine. You apparently are a stand alone operator
with no need to file share or allow others to have access to
the software you use or write on newer computers. You remind me of a
luthier friend I have. He has a small CNC machine that he uses to to cut
out the mother of pearl inlays he puts on the guitars he builds. It is
controlled by a Win 95 laptop which is the only thing it is used for. He
dreads the day it dies because he'll have to upgrade both the computer
and the design software he uses for the inlays.

In most cases that I have experienced over the years an operating system
becomes obsolete over time due to new applications or software that is
released that the older operating systems (and computer hardware) either
have difficulty running or cannot run at all.

I still have a laptop that runs XP. I even have a laptop that has Win
95 on it. Both work fine but neither can do what my newer, Win 7
computer can do .... or even the 6 year old Vista laptop I am using
right now.


What can't you do?


One thing is view or edit videos in mp4 or .mov format. My wife, my
daughter and daughter-in-law in SC often send videos taken with their
iPhones. QuickTime or another third party viewer is required in XP and
Vista. Win 7 can view and edit using Windows media player and Movie Maker.

In general, the Win 7 and Vista computers are faster, have far fewer
"crashes" and have no problems either in browsing the web, playing a
game or general use. Obviously email and newsgroup functions don't task
a computer much. I haven't used XP for quite a while.

On 3/15/2015 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet?

That was what was added to 7.


Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7.

I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on
XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change.
Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make
money if people just say "I'm good".

When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the
people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful.



Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash
registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging
software packages.

The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7
computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting
departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software
that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used
in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines
were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume
they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1.

XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS
but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces
the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7
and 8 can.



You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling
reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100
work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a
reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in
concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging
incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual
improvements in productivity.

I don't think you're an average home user.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 10:11 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet?

That was what was added to 7.


Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about
was 7.

I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on
XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change.
Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make
money if people just say "I'm good".

When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the
people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful.



Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash
registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging
software packages.

The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7
computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting
departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software
that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used
in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines
were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume
they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1.

XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS
but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces
the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7
and 8 can.



You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling
reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100
work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a
reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in
concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging
incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual
improvements in productivity.


My wife, who uses some top drawer database applications but who stays as
far away as possible from "interfacing" with the OS, isn't reporting any
problems with Win 7 on her home office computer, aside from occasionally
recalcitrant peripheral hardware issues. One annoying one: if she is
VPN'ing to the downtown office/servers and wants to print out something
locally, it is cumbersome to make that happen because the downtown gear
wants her to use one of the printers at those offices.

Does her administrator trust her to copy or download files? If so the
solution is simple.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 10:31 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet?

That was what was added to 7.


Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about
was 7.

I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on
XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change.
Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make
money if people just say "I'm good".

When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the
people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful.



Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash
registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging
software packages.

The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7
computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting
departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software
that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used
in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines
were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume
they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1.

XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS
but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces
the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7
and 8 can.



You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling
reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100
work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a
reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in
concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging
incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual
improvements in productivity.


I don't think you're an average home user.

Nor do I. I think Greg is very knowledgeable about computers but I have
a sense that he enjoys finding work-arounds and ways of keeping older
equipment doing what he wants it to do ... for his purposes.

The average home user (like me) are more interested in simply using a
computer than finding ways to make obsolete machines function.

Computers and OS have come a long way, IMO, and prices have dropped
in a major way. A $400 Dell or HP laptop today is much more powerful
than a $1,500 version was 15 years ago.

On 3/15/2015 9:21 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 08:52:10 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:

On 3/15/2015 1:19 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


===

Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally
sucks.

Windows 7 is the good one.

I haven't had a windows 8 crash yet. That's gotta count for something,
eh? And touch screen gesturing makes some tasks easier and quicker.

Hows that motorhome working out for you? Got any trips planned up this way?

Great. The closest I will be to you in the foreseeable future is
Kentucky? If you have the wanderlust we might be able to hookup
somewhere. As you know, I don't discuss my plans in forums. :-)

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing
a required Flash driver.

===

Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I
use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not
play unless I switch to Internet Explorer.

Ditto.

--

Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."

On 3/15/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 9:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote:

http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi

FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra.


===

Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally
sucks.

Windows 7 is the good one.

I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox.


No surprise.



I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox.
I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally
on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well.
Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos.

It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing
a required Flash driver.


Don't feel bad, I've not either.

If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in
Outlook or any
place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play.
I'll get a Flash
Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up
until I shut
down the program with Task Manager.

If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in
the window,
everything operates just fine.

So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the
browser, then I'll
open and use Firefox.

Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out.



Save your data and do a hard reformat of your C drive. Reinstall Windoze
and only those programs you actually use. Reinstall a fresh copy of
Firefox.


Right. Snerk.

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Respectfully submitted by Justan

Laugh of the day from Krause

"I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here.
I've been "born again" as a nice guy."