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Back to the drawing board ....
On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs.  It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means. There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth. There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies. Who knows how many we can't see. Mind blowing. "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning. "God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth. Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will." They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy. If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some god. We have nothing but each other. Or, why did you and others let so many of those children die because you refused to pay your taxes, which, in part, pay for medical research. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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#13
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Back to the drawing board ....
On Friday, February 27, 2015 at 7:01:02 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding. http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219 "I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding." I didn't realize harry was blind. |
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#14
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On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding. http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219 It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator. There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that evidences a god. OR NOT! The more you spin the deeper you get. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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#15
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On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means. There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth. There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies. Who knows how many we can't see. Mind blowing. "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning. "God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth. Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will." They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy. If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some god. We have nothing but each other. Believing in the spiritual or supernatural today is no different than the ancient Egyptians believing in their gods made of stone. Now it's time for you to be scolded about reading for content. I didn't say I have "given up looking for the truth". All I said was "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning ... mainly because I can't mentally comprehend either concept. I doubt many can if they are honest. |
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#16
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/27/2015 6:59 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 6:48 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed When brilliant minds start talking about no beginning to the universe I quickly realize the limitations of my own ability to process what that means. I understand the words we have assigned to the concept but I lack the brain power to fully comprehend what it means. There are about 7 billion people inhabiting the earth. There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy. There are about 100 billion *observable* galaxies. Who knows how many we can't see. Mind blowing. "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning. "God did it" means you've given up looking for the truth. Before the advent of modern medicine and a much higher percentage of people died from all sorts of simple accidents and ailments than they do now, people used to say (and still do, I suppose) "It's god's will." They said that because they and those around them hadn't solved certain mysteries and "pinning it" on god was easy. If there is a god, why does he/she allow so many innocent small children to die of such horrific ailments like cancer, diabetes, et cetera. Some god. We have nothing but each other. Believing in the spiritual or supernatural today is no different than the ancient Egyptians believing in their gods made of stone. Now it's time for you to be scolded about reading for content. I didn't say I have "given up looking for the truth". All I said was "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning ... mainly because I can't mentally comprehend either concept. I doubt many can if they are honest. God did it is an intellectual cop out for a scientist. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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#17
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On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding. http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219 It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator. There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that evidences a god. It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though. My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence provided by science. Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue. |
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#18
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On 2/27/15 7:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/27/2015 7:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 7:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/27/2015 6:07 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:08:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/27/15 3:58 PM, wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:49:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Big Bang just a bunch of bunk? Universe has no beginning? Maybe it's back to thinking it's made up of ether. Invisible, just like modern day descriptions of black holes. http://www.space.com/28681-theory-no-big-bang.html This is really an unknowable but the understanding of the things we can know is advancing science. At this point "god did it" is as provable as the big bang. What was there before the predicted event 13.8 billion years ago? I do tend to lean towards the closed universe theory and after expanding for a while the whole thing will collapse back on itself again. That is reconciled with the "bounce" theory. It also leaves open the likelihood that there are other systems beyond what we call our universe, doing the same thing. One thing is certain, the more we find out, the more questions we bring up and it becomes clearer that there is still more out there than we ever suspected before. "god did it" Right, and Barney Rubble had pet dinosaurs. It is interesting that is all you saw in the whole post. You really are obsessed There isn't an iota of "proof" for the existence of god. Nothing, zip, zilch, nada. The god you seek proof of may not exist in the form that you are expecting to witness. When I view the Hubble Telescope's famous image, "Pillars of Creation" I am both awed and humbled. I think sometimes pure arrogance and self importance can be blinding. http://i.space.com/images/i/000/044/723/original/pillars-of-creation-eagle-nebula-new-image.jpg?1420556219 It's just too easy and anti-intellectual to pin "creation" on a creator. There's no evidence of same. There's nothing in the "pillars" photo that evidences a god. It's evidence of something. I don't know what that "something" is though. My earliest recollection (as a young kid) regarding my personal views is that I never bought into the 6,000 old earth, Adam and Eve and the literal interpretation of the Biblical account of creationism. Even back then there was enough scientific knowledge that contradicted the literal accounts that made a lot more sense. I have always kept my mind open to a symbolic meaning however, keeping in mind that much was written before any understanding or even knowledge of the evidence provided by science. Bottom line is ... I don't have a clue. I don't have a clue, either, but I've read some of the theories. There is much in the field of astrophysics I don't understand...okay, most of it...but that doesn't mean I am going to attribute what I don't know or understand to the supernatural. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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#20
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:48:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: Mind blowing. "God did it" has just about as much validity as a universe with no beginning. === It certainly is mind blowing. Most of the "god" problem seems to stem from a desire to assign intelligent, benovelent, anthropomorphic characteristics. That's just a bit of human presumptuousness in my opinion. |
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