On 2/18/2015 8:51 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:22:02 -0500, KC wrote:

If you want I will say something about countersteering and you both can
come after me.... but the two of you need to knock it off.

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Funny you should mention countersteering. One of my new boat toys
over the past year is an electric bicycle. Remembering the spirited
(and sometimes contentious) discussions about countersteering, I did a
few experiments on the bike. Nudging the handle bars a tad to the
left did induce a lean to the left which of course is essential for a
left turn. Vice versa of course nudging to the right. I think this
is something that we normally do without really thinking about it,
sort of the same way that we don't usually think about balancing.



In order to avoid any confusion I think you should clarify your statement.

When you say "nudge the handle bars (plural) a tad to the left"
is the right handle bar pushed forward slightly with the left
handle bar pulled back an equal amount? If so, that's not
counter steering but would be appropriate at very slow speeds.

If, in fact, the opposite is true, meaning the *left* handle bar
is nudged forward slightly with the right handle bar pulled back
an equal amount and you make a *left* turn ... that is counter steering.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:05:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If, in fact, the opposite is true, meaning the *left* handle bar
is nudged forward slightly with the right handle bar pulled back
an equal amount and you make a *left* turn ... that is counter steering.

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That is what I meant by "nudging the left handlebar". Since the
handlebar is one continuous unit, it necessarily follows that the
right side would move back although I wasn't conciously pulling it
that way. My boat bike tends to be a bit top heavy so the motion on
the handlebar is very slight.

On 2/18/2015 10:47 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:05:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

If, in fact, the opposite is true, meaning the *left* handle bar
is nudged forward slightly with the right handle bar pulled back
an equal amount and you make a *left* turn ... that is counter steering.

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That is what I meant by "nudging the left handlebar". Since the
handlebar is one continuous unit, it necessarily follows that the
right side would move back although I wasn't conciously pulling it
that way. My boat bike tends to be a bit top heavy so the motion on
the handlebar is very slight.


Same as on a motorcycle.