On 2/13/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco
wrote:

Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard.

A couple of great videos.

Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs

Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg

My butt was puckering just watching the videos.

===

Good vids John, thanks for posting.

That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one
of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He
was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida
and his parents were justifiably proud.



Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching
deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions.

I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training".


I think you have to train in the same conditions you may have to fight
in and we don't take a time out in a war for weather.


Halsey almost got court martialed for that. A CO's primary
responsibility is the safety of the ship and crew. I don't
think night landings in 30 foot seas is in the training manual.

On 2/13/2015 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:38:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco
wrote:

Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard.

A couple of great videos.

Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs

Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg

My butt was puckering just watching the videos.

===

Good vids John, thanks for posting.

That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one
of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He
was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida
and his parents were justifiably proud.



Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching
deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions.

I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training".


I think you have to train in the same conditions you may have to fight
in and we don't take a time out in a war for weather.


Halsey almost got court martialed for that. A CO's primary
responsibility is the safety of the ship and crew. I don't
think night landings in 30 foot seas is in the training manual.


The Coast Guard trains in very rough conditions on a regular basis on
a lot smaller vessels than a nuke carrier and they called us "puddle
pirates"



The Coast Guard isn't doing night landings with billion dollar fighters
on a pitching flight deck in 30 foot sea swells. 30 feet is 30 feet
regardless of how big the ship is. Those carrier landings are precise.
Imagine being lined up and having the deck drop or rise 20 feet or so
at the last minute ... at over 130 knots.

If a plane and pilot had been lost in those conditions you can betcha
life there would be a formal inquiry and the CO would likely be found
negligent.

Many of the pilots said this was all new to them. Not standard
operating procedure.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:16:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/13/2015 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:38:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco
wrote:

Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard.

A couple of great videos.

Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs

Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg

My butt was puckering just watching the videos.

===

Good vids John, thanks for posting.

That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one
of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He
was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida
and his parents were justifiably proud.



Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching
deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions.

I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training".


I think you have to train in the same conditions you may have to fight
in and we don't take a time out in a war for weather.


Halsey almost got court martialed for that. A CO's primary
responsibility is the safety of the ship and crew. I don't
think night landings in 30 foot seas is in the training manual.


The Coast Guard trains in very rough conditions on a regular basis on
a lot smaller vessels than a nuke carrier and they called us "puddle
pirates"



The Coast Guard isn't doing night landings with billion dollar fighters
on a pitching flight deck in 30 foot sea swells. 30 feet is 30 feet
regardless of how big the ship is. Those carrier landings are precise.
Imagine being lined up and having the deck drop or rise 20 feet or so
at the last minute ... at over 130 knots.

If a plane and pilot had been lost in those conditions you can betcha
life there would be a formal inquiry and the CO would likely be found
negligent.

Many of the pilots said this was all new to them. Not standard
operating procedure.

I'm thinking you're probably right.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/13/2015 1:30 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:16:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 12:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 12:38:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 11:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:02:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/13/2015 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:48:05 -0500, Abit Loco
wrote:

Now I see why these folks are all chewing gum so hard.

A couple of great videos.

Part One http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=4gGMI8d3vLs

Part Two http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=S0yj70QbBzg

My butt was puckering just watching the videos.

===

Good vids John, thanks for posting.

That has to be one of the scariest jobs in the world. The son of one
of our neighbors was doing it for a while but recently retired. He
was top gun in his training group about the time we moved to Florida
and his parents were justifiably proud.



Interesting when one of the pilots commented that landing on a pitching
deck was more dangerous than flying combat missions.

I'll bet the CO of that carrier was kicking himself for allowing "training".


I think you have to train in the same conditions you may have to fight
in and we don't take a time out in a war for weather.


Halsey almost got court martialed for that. A CO's primary
responsibility is the safety of the ship and crew. I don't
think night landings in 30 foot seas is in the training manual.


The Coast Guard trains in very rough conditions on a regular basis on
a lot smaller vessels than a nuke carrier and they called us "puddle
pirates"



The Coast Guard isn't doing night landings with billion dollar fighters
on a pitching flight deck in 30 foot sea swells. 30 feet is 30 feet
regardless of how big the ship is. Those carrier landings are precise.
Imagine being lined up and having the deck drop or rise 20 feet or so
at the last minute ... at over 130 knots.

If a plane and pilot had been lost in those conditions you can betcha
life there would be a formal inquiry and the CO would likely be found
negligent.

Many of the pilots said this was all new to them. Not standard
operating procedure.


It is not "new to them" now and that might have been the objective.
War is a dangerous thing and training for it has to be too.

As for the CG, when they are dropping a rescue swimmer into the water
during a hurricane, you don't want it to be the first time he has ever
been in rough water, nor do you want that helicopter pilot to have
done all of his training on a sunny day.


Again, the primary responsibility of a ship's captain is the safety
of the ship and crew. The risks became very apparent after the many
bolters and that next to last pilot was one attempt away from ditching.

I highly respect what the USCG does but the situation is not the same.
I've seen videos of Coast Guard rescue missions being aborted due to
weather or seas that are too rough.