On 11/27/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/26/14 11:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:52 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:29:41 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/26/2014 8:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:48:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:


Looks like one of the immediate reactions to the Ferguson (and
other)
shooting(s) is a call for all police officers in the USA to wear a
camera intended to document what occurs in a police action.

Pros? Cons?

The only con I have heard is the privacy issue. The pictures are in
the public domain and a lot of people who were not actually arrested
can still have their image popping up on youtube.


Well, if you are in the public domain and somebody films you, from
what
I know, that is not an invasion of your civil rights. Now I am not
sure
how this works on private property, but I suspect those rules may be
different during police activity??

That is the problem. We expect the cops to be able to go lots of
places where we have the expectation of privacy but that camera is
going to see everything, not just the reason the cop was there.
The cop himself is prevented from using a lot of things he sees but
the camera still sees it.
I am mostly referring to innocent 3d parties, not the object of the
enquiry.


No, I understand completely. They may have to make a "poison pill" law
where they can not use the vid as evidence for a warrant or in court.
Maybe the film can only be used in a court case to prove or disprove the
actions of the cop, or others directly involved in the incident, maybe
only to be viewed at all by court order, and in the presense of a judge.
What I am suggesting is the "daily vid" is sealed and not even the cop
sees it until such time as a judge calls it out....


The videos taken from squad cars are used routinely in courts as
evidence. Most seem to be DUI arrests.




Interestingly, there is very little discussion here of the seemingly
weekly incidents of outrageous police brutality perpetrated on unarmed
civilians. Sometimes but rarely are these attacks recorded on
"cop-cams." If they are recorded, it's usually because a bystander sees
the police attacking someone and they record it, and then the cops try
to stop the bystander from recording, or they try to grab the camera
away. We've all seen the vids of these incidents, the one in which four
cops knock some guy or gal to the ground, and then continue to beat the
crap out of that person who is no longer a threat to anyone...or the
cops start shooting an unarmed person and keep shooting and shooting and
shooting. Remember that incident in NYC when Guiliani was mayor? Bruce
Springsteen memorialized it in a song called "American Skin - 41 Shots."
Four thug cops fired 41 shots into an innocent man who was trying to get
his wallet out of his pants.

The police are out of control. They're acting like the "special" police
forces in the old Sov Bloc used to act.

Springsteen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQMqWAiWPMs



I don't know about being "out of control". How many people are stopped
or detained by police across this country every day for various reasons?
My guess is a million or more. So a weekly report (assuming that's an
accurate assumption) of a police action gone wild doesn't sound like an
epidemic.

On 11/27/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Interestingly, there is very little discussion here of the seemingly
weekly incidents of outrageous police brutality perpetrated on unarmed
civilians. Sometimes but rarely are these attacks recorded on
"cop-cams." If they are recorded, it's usually because a bystander sees
the police attacking someone and they record it, and then the cops try
to stop the bystander from recording, or they try to grab the camera
away. We've all seen the vids of these incidents, the one in which four
cops knock some guy or gal to the ground, and then continue to beat the
crap out of that person who is no longer a threat to anyone...or the
cops start shooting an unarmed person and keep shooting and shooting and
shooting. Remember that incident in NYC when Guiliani was mayor? Bruce
Springsteen memorialized it in a song called "American Skin - 41 Shots."
Four thug cops fired 41 shots into an innocent man who was trying to get
his wallet out of his pants.

The police are out of control. They're acting like the "special" police
forces in the old Sov Bloc used to act.

Springsteen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQMqWAiWPMs

--

You're quoting The Boss now?
Nothing better to do eh?

Desperate times require desperate measures.
Get your home boys to behave and the cops will respond in kind.

Happy Thanksgiving, Turkey. ;-)

On 11/27/2014 7:38 AM, True North wrote:
KC
On 11/26/2014 11:54 PM, wrote:
- show quoted text -
" Not sure how long to keep it, but my idea would be nobody gets to see it
until a judge orders it, and then only in a case where the police or
suspect action is in question, *not for* investigative or to produce a
warrant, collect intel, etc... "

,what are you so worried about?.....

Sorry don, I am not sure you have the capacity to understand...

Oh wait a minute....if you act in real life like you do in here, it all makes perfect sense.


Oh donnie, still trying to start fights you can run away from...

On 11/27/2014 9:07 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/27/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
drool, drool, drool.......

--

You're quoting The Boss now?
Nothing better to do eh?

Desperate times require desperate measures.
Get your home boys to behave and the cops will respond in kind.

Happy Thanksgiving, Turkey. ;-)

LOL!

On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 08:22:30 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/26/14 11:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:52 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:29:41 -0500, KC wrote:

On 11/26/2014 8:03 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:48:46 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Looks like one of the immediate reactions to the Ferguson (and other)
shooting(s) is a call for all police officers in the USA to wear a
camera intended to document what occurs in a police action.

Pros? Cons?

The only con I have heard is the privacy issue. The pictures are in
the public domain and a lot of people who were not actually arrested
can still have their image popping up on youtube.


Well, if you are in the public domain and somebody films you, from what
I know, that is not an invasion of your civil rights. Now I am not sure
how this works on private property, but I suspect those rules may be
different during police activity??

That is the problem. We expect the cops to be able to go lots of
places where we have the expectation of privacy but that camera is
going to see everything, not just the reason the cop was there.
The cop himself is prevented from using a lot of things he sees but
the camera still sees it.
I am mostly referring to innocent 3d parties, not the object of the
enquiry.


No, I understand completely. They may have to make a "poison pill" law
where they can not use the vid as evidence for a warrant or in court.
Maybe the film can only be used in a court case to prove or disprove the
actions of the cop, or others directly involved in the incident, maybe
only to be viewed at all by court order, and in the presense of a judge.
What I am suggesting is the "daily vid" is sealed and not even the cop
sees it until such time as a judge calls it out....


The videos taken from squad cars are used routinely in courts as
evidence. Most seem to be DUI arrests.




Interestingly, there is very little discussion here of the seemingly
weekly incidents of outrageous police brutality perpetrated on unarmed
civilians. Sometimes but rarely are these attacks recorded on
"cop-cams." If they are recorded, it's usually because a bystander sees
the police attacking someone and they record it, and then the cops try
to stop the bystander from recording, or they try to grab the camera
away. We've all seen the vids of these incidents, the one in which four
cops knock some guy or gal to the ground, and then continue to beat the
crap out of that person who is no longer a threat to anyone...or the
cops start shooting an unarmed person and keep shooting and shooting and
shooting. Remember that incident in NYC when Guiliani was mayor? Bruce
Springsteen memorialized it in a song called "American Skin - 41 Shots."
Four thug cops fired 41 shots into an innocent man who was trying to get
his wallet out of his pants.

The police are out of control. They're acting like the "special" police
forces in the old Sov Bloc used to act.

Springsteen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQMqWAiWPMs

Maybe you could provide a cite? Seems like last week you were accusing
the cops of murdering an innocent every day.