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Harrold November 6th 14 11:02 PM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/2014 3:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:43 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats
with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong
here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh
In fact, the boney little guy never even landed a punch.


Come on. Are you telling me that if someone takes a swing at you and
misses, you'd just stand there like a doofus until he connected?

It's called self defense.



It depends. The little fella might have been intimidated by the size and
girth of Krause. Krause was obviously invading his space. The little guy
was probably analyzing his fight or flight options and decided that his
first move was to strike out at the large fat man who was invading his
space. The large fat man mustered all of his strength to swing at the
little guy and struck him god knows where, breaking several bones in his
wrist? hand? arm? No mention was made of what happened after, other than
Krause was rushed to the hospital in severe pain.
If you analyze Harry's story you'll realize it's like Swiss cheese.
You must be bored to be involving yourself in this nonsense.

Harrold November 6th 14 11:05 PM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/2014 4:21 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh


The only reason your buddy is here is to crack his petty 7th grade insults.


Why are you here?
Someone please re-post this so that Harry has no excuse to avoid the
question.

KC November 6th 14 11:22 PM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/2014 6:02 PM, Harrold wrote:

If you analyze Harry's story you'll realize it's like Swiss cheese.
You must be bored to be involving yourself in this nonsense.

I agree with this post..

F*O*A*D November 7th 14 12:00 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/14 4:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:44:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:39:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could. End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."



I have been involved with these things more times than I like to think
about and I know a lot of cops. Women tend to stand by their man, no
matter what a weasel he is.

As for the self defense issue. I have taken the course several times
and they all emphasize, distance is your friend.
If you do not want to end up in a fist fight or a scramble on the
ground, keep some distance.
If you want to fight, just give them your best shot right away and be
prepared to face the consequences.
Just don't be surprised if the woman you "rescued" testifies against
you. She is still going to go home and sleep with the weasel about 90%
of the time. (just look at all of those football players and the women
they beat the **** out of)
This "Don Quixote" stuff is great in the movies but don't count on
Dulcinea taking your side when it is all over.


Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Wow. A right wing libertarian who says leave it to the police. I can
envision you and your gun nutzi 2A buddies here standing on the sidewalk
with your hands in your pockets watching some thug beat up a woman or a child.

Brave men, all of you.




You seem to be the gun nutz here! Bragging about all the guns you buy and
sell, and build.


A gun nutzi is someone who puts the 2A ahead of common sense.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

F*O*A*D November 7th 14 12:04 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/14 5:23 PM, KC wrote:
On 11/6/2014 4:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.

I call it idiocy to be close enough to be hit, when verbally
addressing the
issue.


...unless you have to come in.. and in that case I consider it idiocy to
come in talking at all but I am smaller than you guys so you probably
don't see it the way I do. The only time I would go in again is if
overwhelming force was immediately necessary in which case hopefully you
wouldn't even see me coming till I tackled you and we were rolling
across the parking lot giving the girl enough time to get away...
wouldn't bother with talking, or even a fist fight... Just gotta' change
the aggressors "game plan" for a few seconds, then reassess....

You're a puny little **** with a heart condition, cancer, and bad knees.
You'd best confine your macho to grammar school playgrounds.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Poco Loco November 7th 14 12:05 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:05:12 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 4:21 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh


The only reason your buddy is here is to crack his petty 7th grade insults.


Why are you here?
Someone please re-post this so that Harry has no excuse to avoid the
question.

Trust me. No repost is required.

Harrold November 7th 14 01:07 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/2014 7:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:05:12 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 4:21 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh


The only reason your buddy is here is to crack his petty 7th grade insults.


Why are you here?
Someone please re-post this so that Harry has no excuse to avoid the
question.

Trust me. No repost is required.

Do you have any idea why he's here?

Poco Loco November 7th 14 01:18 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:07:19 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 7:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:05:12 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 4:21 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh


The only reason your buddy is here is to crack his petty 7th grade insults.


Why are you here?
Someone please re-post this so that Harry has no excuse to avoid the
question.

Trust me. No repost is required.

Do you have any idea why he's here?

It's the 'N' word...narcissism.

F*O*A*D November 7th 14 01:33 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

--
Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. -
Norman Mailer

F*O*A*D November 7th 14 01:36 AM
Harry's recent "incident"
 
On 11/6/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:18:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 3:01 PM, wrote:

I am sure the love birds had kissed and made up before Harry even saw
his first doctor.
Of all the things I might be tempted to intervene in, a domestic
dispute would be the last one and I certainly would not get in a fight
over it. I didn't always feel that way but after being neck deep in a
bunch of them, a lot of times involving the same couples, I am not
really that interested in kicking that tar baby.
I lived in a white trash and black folks apartment building (Dennis
Grove in PG county) for 4 years and I have seen plenty.



I can understand your feelings although you have absolutely no idea how
the couple (assuming they were a couple) resolved or didn't resolve the
issue in Harry's encounter.

We could settle that pretty quickly. What did the cops do when they
got there. If we had the location we could all look the call up
ourselves.

Thinking about it though, it might have been better if Harry had asked
the woman if she was in danger or needed assistance before addressing
the guy. Then again, I wasn't there and all you can do is speculate on
what the fluid situation was.


You are starting to think like me now.
From my experience, simply calling a guy like this out stops the
abuse.
If he does turn around and say "**** you old man, I'm going to kick
your ass too" you really have to wonder if getting into it with him is
the prudent thing to do. I would certainly want to pick up something
heavy.
Would you jump in on Ray Rice?

"Farewell and adieu to you spanish ladies"


Sheesh...it's Neville Chamberlain, all over again.


--
Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. -
Norman Mailer


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