Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/14 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:44:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:39:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could. End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."



I have been involved with these things more times than I like to think
about and I know a lot of cops. Women tend to stand by their man, no
matter what a weasel he is.

As for the self defense issue. I have taken the course several times
and they all emphasize, distance is your friend.
If you do not want to end up in a fist fight or a scramble on the
ground, keep some distance.
If you want to fight, just give them your best shot right away and be
prepared to face the consequences.
Just don't be surprised if the woman you "rescued" testifies against
you. She is still going to go home and sleep with the weasel about 90%
of the time. (just look at all of those football players and the women
they beat the **** out of)
This "Don Quixote" stuff is great in the movies but don't count on
Dulcinea taking your side when it is all over.


Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Wow. A right wing libertarian who says leave it to the police. I can
envision you and your gun nutzi 2A buddies here standing on the sidewalk
with your hands in your pockets watching some thug beat up a woman or a
child.

Brave men, all of you.



--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:57:59 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 11:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 11:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right
wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few
others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could. End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem
trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."




Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand. As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.


Hows your "hand" feel today. I'll bey you wished you'd used
your vocabulary to assault the guy instead of your mighty fist. ;-)

I am sure the love birds had kissed and made up before Harry even saw
his first doctor.
Of all the things I might be tempted to intervene in, a domestic
dispute would be the last one and I certainly would not get in a fight
over it. I didn't always feel that way but after being neck deep in a
bunch of them, a lot of times involving the same couples, I am not
really that interested in kicking that tar baby.
I lived in a white trash and black folks apartment building (Dennis
Grove in PG county) for 4 years and I have seen plenty.



I can understand your feelings although you have absolutely no idea how
the couple (assuming they were a couple) resolved or didn't resolve the
issue in Harry's encounter.

Thinking about it though, it might have been better if Harry had asked
the woman if she was in danger or needed assistance before addressing
the guy. Then again, I wasn't there and all you can do is speculate on
what the fluid situation was.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 2:29 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 2:09 PM, True North wrote:
L'il Snot sneezes..
" How do you assault a set of stairs?"


SNERK!
Is that what they called it when the police introduced you to the
station stairwell?
Thanks for reminding me of that.


Damn! I'd forgotten Little Psycho's "boast" that he was pushed down the
stairs at a local police station. The order day he hinted that he'd
have to get a "pardon" to legally buy a firearm. It's a good thing I did
call the cops on him...


You forget a lot of things. Fer instance, the little bungalo in the run
down neighborhood in Jax, you lived in, until your missus got a decent
job in Washington.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:18 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:57:59 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/6/2014 11:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 11:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right
wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing
you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few
others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was
to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an
easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you
and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited
for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not
intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they
were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could.
End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I
landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem
trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you
mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I
know
how to use it."




Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand. As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.


Hows your "hand" feel today. I'll bey you wished you'd used
your vocabulary to assault the guy instead of your mighty fist. ;-)

I am sure the love birds had kissed and made up before Harry even saw
his first doctor.
Of all the things I might be tempted to intervene in, a domestic
dispute would be the last one and I certainly would not get in a fight
over it. I didn't always feel that way but after being neck deep in a
bunch of them, a lot of times involving the same couples, I am not
really that interested in kicking that tar baby.
I lived in a white trash and black folks apartment building (Dennis
Grove in PG county) for 4 years and I have seen plenty.



I can understand your feelings although you have absolutely no idea how
the couple (assuming they were a couple) resolved or didn't resolve the
issue in Harry's encounter.

Thinking about it though, it might have been better if Harry had asked
the woman if she was in danger or needed assistance before addressing
the guy. Then again, I wasn't there and all you can do is speculate on
what the fluid situation was.




This is all a fragment of Harry,s figmintation. sic'

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh
In fact, the boney little guy never even landed a punch.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:43 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh
In fact, the boney little guy never even landed a punch.


Come on. Are you telling me that if someone takes a swing at you and
misses, you'd just stand there like a doofus until he connected?

It's called self defense.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 3:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:43 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:41 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:36 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 11/6/2014 3:13 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring,
FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats
with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter
because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on
the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers,
lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong
here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.



He did strike the first blow on the boney little guy.

sigh
In fact, the boney little guy never even landed a punch.


Come on. Are you telling me that if someone takes a swing at you and
misses, you'd just stand there like a doofus until he connected?

It's called self defense.



maybe, maybe not... depends on the situation. Either way, truth be told
I doubt any of this "hero" story is real. I mean, he's scared to death
enough of me to call the cops for an imagined internet threat and I am
only 5'7"... he lives with loaded guns ready to blow anybody away that
says boo.... do you really think harry approached anybody?