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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 1:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :)

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is
not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.





So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more?




Education should be a lifelong and therefore neverending process.

The level of teaching, learning, debate, and writing in the most serious
upper level post-grad courses disciplines one's brain like almost nothing
found in the non-academic world.



Like all those Liberal Arts majors who go in to politics and end up in
jail? Liberal Arts degrees who end up on Wall Street and end up in jail?

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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :)

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.





Advanced math is also hard science.

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On 10/8/2014 11:59 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

Yup, we know.

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On 10/8/2014 1:23 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
The level of teaching, learning, debate, and writing in the most serious
upper level post-grad courses disciplines one's brain like almost
nothing found in the non-academic world.


--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.”
Sarah Palin

Are you saying that you are not understood outside of academia?

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On 10/8/2014 1:23 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 1:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :)

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is
not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.





So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more?




Education should be a lifelong and therefore neverending process.

The level of teaching, learning, debate, and writing in the most serious
upper level post-grad courses disciplines one's brain like almost
nothing found in the non-academic world.

I noted the word "almost". I think life experience trumps upper level
post-grad courses. I don't have that level of academia experience, so
it's just an opinion on my part.

You are often an interesting example of contradiction to me. On one
hand you extol the virtues and benefits of an extensive education that,
as you point out, is designed to "discipline" one's brain for abstract
thinking yet you often present with a fully cured, concrete thought
process when it comes to certain subjects. I think you learn and gain
more by keeping an open mind.

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On 10/8/2014 1:58 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/8/2014 11:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:56:40 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he
openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a
marketable job skill.



Hehehe. Love it.

--
“My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.�
Sarah Palin

Here ye go Harry.
These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree.
Help em out, would ya?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd



They come to the same conclusion as my son in law's dad. The only job
skill is to teach other liberal arts majors.
If you have not learned how to think, read and write well by the time
you get out of K-12, 4 more years is not going to help much.



Well, a stint in the Navy didn't help FlaJim learn how to think, eh?


Noper. I got a good job in the Navy because I already knew how to think.

On the other hand, 4 years of college didn't do it for you, so you had
to go and get more. You still can't think rationally.


I won't share any personal info, so suffice it to say that Harry has no
clue what you did in the Navy. All I'll say is that the rating requires
one of the highest scores in IQ and aptitude tests to qualify.

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On 10/8/2014 1:56 PM, Califbill wrote:
KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher
during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year.

If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to
have guns, I will let you win that one.

Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did
you mean 'in school' after 'guns'?

They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are
they going to remember where they left their gun?


Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree
and not be so disdainful of those who did.

Non responsive


Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher
education.

I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some
extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems
silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark
Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out
they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon.


My 28 year old (tattooed and pierced) is making 60 a year and she got
sick one month into college and never went back. Last I knew that's about
twice what my 30 yo with a masters is making. Not to mention my 30 yo had
to change courses at least once, maybe twice and still doesn't really
work in the field she paid so much to learn. So, bottom line is both
worked their asses off for experience, difference is one got paid while
doing it, the other paid dearly and will be for a long time for it..

The problem there, is the one with the masters got a semi worthless degree.
And $60K is not that much these days.


I would be happy with it..

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In article ,
says...


I noted the word "almost". I think life experience trumps upper level
post-grad courses. I don't have that level of academia experience, so
it's just an opinion on my part.


Depends how you absorb learning. Certainly reading Shakespeare for
content can grant a lifetime of experience.
But until you're on the street you might not get street smarts.

You are often an interesting example of contradiction to me. On one
hand you extol the virtues and benefits of an extensive education that,
as you point out, is designed to "discipline" one's brain for abstract
thinking yet you often present with a fully cured, concrete thought
process when it comes to certain subjects. I think you learn and gain
more by keeping an open mind.

Agreed. But it doesn't hurt to call a spade a spade.
There's plenty of spades. Of course the gyre turns.

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On 10/8/2014 2:34 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


I noted the word "almost". I think life experience trumps upper level
post-grad courses. I don't have that level of academia experience, so
it's just an opinion on my part.


Depends how you absorb learning. Certainly reading Shakespeare for
content can grant a lifetime of experience.
But until you're on the street you might not get street smarts.

You are often an interesting example of contradiction to me. On one
hand you extol the virtues and benefits of an extensive education that,
as you point out, is designed to "discipline" one's brain for abstract
thinking yet you often present with a fully cured, concrete thought
process when it comes to certain subjects. I think you learn and gain
more by keeping an open mind.

Agreed. But it doesn't hurt to call a spade a spade.
There's plenty of spades. Of course the gyre turns.



Shakespeare scared the crap out of me .... no, wait ... it was reading
Edgar Allen Poe that scared the crap out of me. I read "The Cask of
Amontillado" when I was about 12 or 13 years old. Shouldn't have.

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On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:35:49 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 12:49:51 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:

I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing.
$10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :)

It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than
the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there
are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also
add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket.


Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an
intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton
of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a
night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental,
entertainment (ha!).


I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you
can take the others and they build on each other..

Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies...

No you should have learned simple math in elementary school.


Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts
schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school.
After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what
comprises "the liberal arts."

*Math* is one of the liberal arts.

My buddy has a Bachelors of SCIENCE degree in math.

Mine is also a Bachelor of Science in math. I did take some liberal
arts courses. And I can understand Krause saying 'simple math is a
liberal arts thingy'. The key word is 'simple'.