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We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. A criminal justice instructor at Technology Center of DuPage in Addison accidentally discharged a handgun during class Friday afternoon, striking a file cabinet and hollow wall, officials said. The instructor, a retired FBI agent, wasn't authorized to have the gun on school property, said Jim Thorne, the school's director. "It's not part of the curriculum. It's nothing we knew he had," Thorne said. Three students were watching the instructor's demonstration about 1:30 p.m. in an office adjacent to a classroom, where other students were preparing for the start of class, Thorne said. No one was struck by the bullet, which ended up lodged in another classroom, he said. You will recall that last month saw an armed 6th grade teacher injure herself with porcelain shrapnel as she accidentally Second Amendmented the toilet out from beneath herself in the faculty restroom, and an Idaho State University professor Second Amendmented himself in the foot during class. Six weeks of school (counting from the week of August 25), and three teachers have already accidentally fired their handy little safety tools in school. Looking sharp, people. Looking sharp. Swiped from Daily KOS -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
...what could possibly go wrong? We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. A criminal justice instructor at Technology Center of DuPage in Addison accidentally discharged a handgun during class Friday afternoon, striking a file cabinet and hollow wall, officials said. The instructor, a retired FBI agent, wasn't authorized to have the gun on school property, said Jim Thorne, the school's director. "It's not part of the curriculum. It's nothing we knew he had," Thorne said. Three students were watching the instructor's demonstration about 1:30 p.m. in an office adjacent to a classroom, where other students were preparing for the start of class, Thorne said. No one was struck by the bullet, which ended up lodged in another classroom, he said. You will recall that last month saw an armed 6th grade teacher injure herself with porcelain shrapnel as she accidentally Second Amendmented the toilet out from beneath herself in the faculty restroom, and an Idaho State University professor Second Amendmented himself in the foot during class. Six weeks of school (counting from the week of August 25), and three teachers have already accidentally fired their handy little safety tools in school. Looking sharp, people. Looking sharp. Swiped from Daily KOS He is an FBI agent. Holder and the government will declare it a good shoot. |
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On 10/7/14 12:31 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: ...what could possibly go wrong? We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. A criminal justice instructor at Technology Center of DuPage in Addison accidentally discharged a handgun during class Friday afternoon, striking a file cabinet and hollow wall, officials said. The instructor, a retired FBI agent, wasn't authorized to have the gun on school property, said Jim Thorne, the school's director. "It's not part of the curriculum. It's nothing we knew he had," Thorne said. Three students were watching the instructor's demonstration about 1:30 p.m. in an office adjacent to a classroom, where other students were preparing for the start of class, Thorne said. No one was struck by the bullet, which ended up lodged in another classroom, he said. You will recall that last month saw an armed 6th grade teacher injure herself with porcelain shrapnel as she accidentally Second Amendmented the toilet out from beneath herself in the faculty restroom, and an Idaho State University professor Second Amendmented himself in the foot during class. Six weeks of school (counting from the week of August 25), and three teachers have already accidentally fired their handy little safety tools in school. Looking sharp, people. Looking sharp. Swiped from Daily KOS He is an FBI agent. Holder and the government will declare it a good shoot. Wrong again, Bilious. He is a *retired* agent. And isn't he the exact sort of fella that terrorist group, the NRA, recommended be hired to guard our schools? Hiring these former badge holders is a terrific idea...after all, if you read the news these days, there's an incident a day of a cop-type shooting or tasing or beating the crap out of perfectly innocent citizens. Why not have them shoot up school kids, too? Or how about those NRA members carrying their AR rifles into fast food joints or Target, you know, the ones who look like they have double-digit IQs. -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/14 1:01 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. It's the Dale Earnhardt syndrome... When you been doing something your whole life and change it up, there are gonna' be glitches... How "used to carrying" in a school situation with kids and laws, and parents and everybody else scrutinizing you do you think these teachers are. It's a brand new "carry environment" for most of these folks new (to them) techniques and habits need to be formed. Now that is a funny post. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/2014 12:25 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
...what could possibly go wrong? We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. A criminal justice instructor at Technology Center of DuPage in Addison accidentally discharged a handgun during class Friday afternoon, striking a file cabinet and hollow wall, officials said. The instructor, a retired FBI agent, wasn't authorized to have the gun on school property, said Jim Thorne, the school's director. "It's not part of the curriculum. It's nothing we knew he had," Thorne said. Three students were watching the instructor's demonstration about 1:30 p.m. in an office adjacent to a classroom, where other students were preparing for the start of class, Thorne said. No one was struck by the bullet, which ended up lodged in another classroom, he said. You will recall that last month saw an armed 6th grade teacher injure herself with porcelain shrapnel as she accidentally Second Amendmented the toilet out from beneath herself in the faculty restroom, and an Idaho State University professor Second Amendmented himself in the foot during class. Six weeks of school (counting from the week of August 25), and three teachers have already accidentally fired their handy little safety tools in school. Looking sharp, people. Looking sharp. Swiped from Daily KOS Stealing from the mentally challenged, I see. Have you no scruples? |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:28:49 -0400, Harrold wrote:
On 10/7/2014 12:25 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: ...what could possibly go wrong? We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. A criminal justice instructor at Technology Center of DuPage in Addison accidentally discharged a handgun during class Friday afternoon, striking a file cabinet and hollow wall, officials said. The instructor, a retired FBI agent, wasn't authorized to have the gun on school property, said Jim Thorne, the school's director. "It's not part of the curriculum. It's nothing we knew he had," Thorne said. Three students were watching the instructor's demonstration about 1:30 p.m. in an office adjacent to a classroom, where other students were preparing for the start of class, Thorne said. No one was struck by the bullet, which ended up lodged in another classroom, he said. You will recall that last month saw an armed 6th grade teacher injure herself with porcelain shrapnel as she accidentally Second Amendmented the toilet out from beneath herself in the faculty restroom, and an Idaho State University professor Second Amendmented himself in the foot during class. Six weeks of school (counting from the week of August 25), and three teachers have already accidentally fired their handy little safety tools in school. Looking sharp, people. Looking sharp. Swiped from Daily KOS Stealing from the mentally challenged, I see. Have you no scruples? He's a liberal. 'Nuff said. "It's not a baby kicking, dear bride, it's just a fetus." Harry Krause |
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On 10/7/14 4:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:05:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 1:00 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. They're at least as "responsible" as former FBI agents and cops. After all, far more innocents are shot and killed by FBI agents and cops than school teachers. I am not here to defend trigger happy FB I agents but 2 of the 3 incidents you cited were teachers. Whoosh. I guess that is Harry Speak for "I can't argue with what you said" Your posit was specious...no need to waste time "arguing." -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:15:31 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Well hell...given the atrocious behavior of some cops and soldiers, they shouldn't be allowed to have guns either! |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 1:01 PM, KC wrote: On 10/7/2014 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. It's the Dale Earnhardt syndrome... When you been doing something your whole life and change it up, there are gonna' be glitches... How "used to carrying" in a school situation with kids and laws, and parents and everybody else scrutinizing you do you think these teachers are. It's a brand new "carry environment" for most of these folks new (to them) techniques and habits need to be formed. Now that is a funny post. On this post I agree. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. I have a university degree, and I agree with Gregg. And what does this have to do with what Gregg stated? |
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On 10/7/2014 5:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:15:31 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Well hell...given the atrocious behavior of some cops and soldiers, they shouldn't be allowed to have guns either! Hey, there's good and bad in ever area.. I am in favor of armed teachers, and I know that some day there is gonna' be a bad one in a school.. I can only hope there is a good one there that's armed too, to blow his ****ing head off... Cause the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. |
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On 10/7/14 5:42 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 5:05 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:15:31 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Well hell...given the atrocious behavior of some cops and soldiers, they shouldn't be allowed to have guns either! Hey, there's good and bad in ever area.. I am in favor of armed teachers, and I know that some day there is gonna' be a bad one in a school.. I can only hope there is a good one there that's armed too, to blow his ****ing head off... Cause the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. Maybe you can find someone to buy you a gun so *you* can guard kids in your local schools. Just fudge the psycho exam. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 1:01 PM, KC wrote: On 10/7/2014 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. It's the Dale Earnhardt syndrome... When you been doing something your whole life and change it up, there are gonna' be glitches... How "used to carrying" in a school situation with kids and laws, and parents and everybody else scrutinizing you do you think these teachers are. It's a brand new "carry environment" for most of these folks new (to them) techniques and habits need to be formed. Now that is a funny post. On this post I agree. So you all feel that these guys should come in already conditioned to stealth carry in a classroom situation? I can think of a lot of reasons these teachers might want to carry even more covertly than in the general public where folks are not staring at you 6 hours a day... in fact, they may be using a new system, holster, or even weapon specifically to carry in school. There are gonna' be mistakes. Doesn't mean there was bad intent, and it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. |
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On 10/7/14 7:06 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 1:01 PM, KC wrote: On 10/7/2014 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. It's the Dale Earnhardt syndrome... When you been doing something your whole life and change it up, there are gonna' be glitches... How "used to carrying" in a school situation with kids and laws, and parents and everybody else scrutinizing you do you think these teachers are. It's a brand new "carry environment" for most of these folks new (to them) techniques and habits need to be formed. Now that is a funny post. On this post I agree. So you all feel that these guys should come in already conditioned to stealth carry in a classroom situation? I can think of a lot of reasons these teachers might want to carry even more covertly than in the general public where folks are not staring at you 6 hours a day... in fact, they may be using a new system, holster, or even weapon specifically to carry in school. There are gonna' be mistakes. Doesn't mean there was bad intent, and it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Perhaps one of your kids will be one of the "mistakes," eh? -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/14 7:37 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:59:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:11 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 13:05:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 1:00 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:55:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 12:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. They're at least as "responsible" as former FBI agents and cops. After all, far more innocents are shot and killed by FBI agents and cops than school teachers. I am not here to defend trigger happy FB I agents but 2 of the 3 incidents you cited were teachers. Whoosh. I guess that is Harry Speak for "I can't argue with what you said" Your posit was specious...no need to waste time "arguing." The whole thread is specious, what's your point? You still ducked the issue that 2 or the 3 people who you cited were teachers and one was a trigger happy FBI agent. Maybe he was at Ruby Ridge, Waco or Orlando The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. Non responsive Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher education. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:05:42 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote: Well hell...given the atrocious behavior of some cops and soldiers, they shouldn't be allowed to have guns either! === Absolutely right, and neither should tax cheats, bankruptcy fraud artists and sociopaths. |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:50:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
Just fudge the psycho exam. === Now there's something that Harry actually knows about. |
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On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. Non responsive Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher education. I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon. Some people attend college to learn how to "think". Many people can do that naturally. I see college as a necessity to achieve certain goals such as a career choice of interest. Now-a-days it's probably even more important to have the documented credentials. But, I agree, to attend college just for the sake of attending college is probably a waste of time and money for many. |
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On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. I have a university degree, and I agree with Gregg. And what does this have to do with what Gregg stated? Harry still hasn't figured out why Most of us think he's a turd. |
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On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. Non responsive Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher education. I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon. My 28 year old (tattooed and pierced) is making 60 a year and she got sick one month into college and never went back. Last I knew that's about twice what my 30 yo with a masters is making. Not to mention my 30 yo had to change courses at least once, maybe twice and still doesn't really work in the field she paid so much to learn. So, bottom line is both worked their asses off for experience, difference is one got paid while doing it, the other paid dearly and will be for a long time for it.. |
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On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 21:49:45 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote: I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon. Some people attend college to learn how to "think". Many people can do that naturally. Fortunately my parents got me out of the public school system and into a high school that taught me to think at an earlier age. By the time my peers were juniors in college, I was running a half million dollar territory at IBM. By the end of that year IBM thought I could I could think well enough to go out of the country alone on a support calls. I see college as a necessity to achieve certain goals such as a career choice of interest. Now-a-days it's probably even more important to have the documented credentials. But, I agree, to attend college just for the sake of attending college is probably a waste of time and money for many. My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a marketable job skill. Hehehe. Love it. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a marketable job skill. Hehehe. Love it. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin Here ye go Harry. These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree. Help em out, would ya? https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd |
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On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too. I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get there is not a viable answer either. Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the classroom doors. On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a couple weeks, I see no problem arming them. Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would be more in favor of it Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy. :) You thinking about going? Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics." :) -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:31:03 -0400, Harrold wrote:
On 10/7/2014 5:42 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. I have a university degree, and I agree with Gregg. And what does this have to do with what Gregg stated? Harry still hasn't figured out why Most of us think he's a turd. I believe you are correct. |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/14 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:56:40 -0400, Harrold wrote: On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a marketable job skill. Hehehe. Love it. -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin Here ye go Harry. These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree. Help em out, would ya? https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd They come to the same conclusion as my son in law's dad. The only job skill is to teach other liberal arts majors. If you have not learned how to think, read and write well by the time you get out of K-12, 4 more years is not going to help much. Well, a stint in the Navy didn't help FlaJim learn how to think, eh? -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/14 10:44 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:42:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too. I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get there is not a viable answer either. Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the classroom doors. On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a couple weeks, I see no problem arming them. Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would be more in favor of it Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy. :) You thinking about going? Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics." :) Things like "why in the hell are we spending $10,000+ so you can shoot zombies better"? Tell me again, who is the prepper here? I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing. $10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :) -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:17:37 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/8/14 10:44 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:42:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 11:17 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:12:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 9:31 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: The point is that having a teacher or even a former cop or FBI agent in a school to protect the kids and teachers is fraught with stupidity and danger in addition to that posed by a crazed shooter. The fact that two of the three incidents were related to teachers is not the issue...the issue is that these so-called solutions are simple-minded. Schools have many entrances and windows, and even if these are locked, a determined shooter would have no problem getting inside. And since most of them don't care whether they live or die, they could shoot up several classrooms before someone with a gun showed up to defend the kids. And it is likely the "protector" would be shot, too. I agree that untrained or marginally trained people are worse than having nobody there at all but just assuming you are going to let an active shooter go until they run out of ammo or a swat team can get there is not a viable answer either. Part of the answer might just be an alarm and good locks on the classroom doors. On the other hand, if these people were willing to go to Gunsite for a couple weeks, I see no problem arming them. Maybe if they taught proper self defense tactics in college, you would be more in favor of it Funny you should mention Gunsite Academy. :) You thinking about going? Yes, if I can work out the familial "logistics." :) Things like "why in the hell are we spending $10,000+ so you can shoot zombies better"? Tell me again, who is the prepper here? I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing. $10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :) It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket. Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental, entertainment (ha!). Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies... -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote: I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing. $10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :) It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket. Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental, entertainment (ha!). I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you can take the others and they build on each other.. Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies... No you should have learned simple math in elementary school. Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school. After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what comprises "the liberal arts." *Math* is one of the liberal arts. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote: I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing. $10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :) It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket. Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental, entertainment (ha!). I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you can take the others and they build on each other.. Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies... No you should have learned simple math in elementary school. Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school. After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what comprises "the liberal arts." *Math* is one of the liberal arts. So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more? |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/14 1:12 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/8/2014 12:49 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/8/14 12:46 PM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 11:59:57 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/8/14 11:34 AM, wrote: I'm pretty sure I don't need any more training on zombie killing. $10,000? I'm not taking golf lessons. :) It is pretty easy to spend 10 grand there if you want much more than the introduction course. The courses are up to $2000 each and there are lots of them. If you are not staying at the Super 8 you can also add $1000-1500 a week to live there plus a plane ticket. Yeah, I know how much the courses cost. The one I have in mind is not an intro course, and is about a fifth of what you quoted, including a ton of ammo. There are some decent motels near the site for about $75 a night, so figure another grand for room, board, car rental, entertainment (ha!). I get the impression that you have to take the intro course before you can take the others and they build on each other.. Simple math: it's one of those liberal arts thingies... No you should have learned simple math in elementary school. Elementary, intermediate, and secondary schools *are* liberal arts schools, unless you opt for "vocational" junior high and high school. After all the times I've told you, you boys still don't understand what comprises "the liberal arts." *Math* is one of the liberal arts. So, after 12 years of a liberal arts education, you needed 4-6 more? Education should be a lifelong and therefore neverending process. The level of teaching, learning, debate, and writing in the most serious upper level post-grad courses disciplines one's brain like almost nothing found in the non-academic world. -- My heart goes out to the people of Ebola. Sarah Palin |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
KC wrote:
On 10/7/2014 9:36 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 19:57:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 7:38 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:00:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/7/14 4:15 PM, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 14:42:57 -0400, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:48:32 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 12:25:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: We have had our third in-school accidental discharge by an armed teacher during the still-very young 2014-2015 school year. If your point is that school teachers are not responsible enough to have guns, I will let you win that one. Why should school teachers not responsible enough to have guns? Or did you mean 'in school' after 'guns'? They can't even remember they shouldn't date the students. How are they going to remember where they left their gun? Perhaps in your next life, if there is one, you'll get a college degree and not be so disdainful of those who did. Non responsive Perfectly responsive to someone who is disdainful of formal higher education. I appreciate engineers, doctors, nurses, scientists and even, to some extent, lawyers but just going to college, to say you went, seems silly to me. There are plenty of guys like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who agree with me. After a year or two they figured out they had squeezed all the juice out of that lemon. My 28 year old (tattooed and pierced) is making 60 a year and she got sick one month into college and never went back. Last I knew that's about twice what my 30 yo with a masters is making. Not to mention my 30 yo had to change courses at least once, maybe twice and still doesn't really work in the field she paid so much to learn. So, bottom line is both worked their asses off for experience, difference is one got paid while doing it, the other paid dearly and will be for a long time for it.. The problem there, is the one with the masters got a semi worthless degree. And $60K is not that much these days. |
The Moron's Way to Defend Schools...
On 10/8/2014 11:13 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/8/14 10:40 AM, wrote: On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 07:56:40 -0400, Harrold wrote: On 10/8/2014 6:46 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: My daughter's father in law is a retired history professor and he openly says, liberal arts college is not designed to teach you a marketable job skill. Hehehe. Love it. -- “My heart goes out to the people of Ebola.” Sarah Palin Here ye go Harry. These folks are having a hard time justifying a liberal arts degree. Help em out, would ya? https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...4170042AAA0dsd They come to the same conclusion as my son in law's dad. The only job skill is to teach other liberal arts majors. If you have not learned how to think, read and write well by the time you get out of K-12, 4 more years is not going to help much. Well, a stint in the Navy didn't help FlaJim learn how to think, eh? Noper. I got a good job in the Navy because I already knew how to think. On the other hand, 4 years of college didn't do it for you, so you had to go and get more. You still can't think rationally. |
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