On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:19:04 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

Why don't you go play in another sandbox, where you can
converse with people on your own level.

===

He would have to dig a *very* deep hole to do that.

On 7/15/14, 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:12:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

... and you started it, what does that say?
Remember "Ray"?( if not, look at the thread title).


My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there,

His wife ... not so much. She is the only one who is relevant today.

You have no clue what Bill would have done in 2003 if he was still
president but his wife voted for the war, along with the current SoS
and the current VP. As was pointed out Bill's SoS supported the war
too. Are they all dumb? I think so but that may just be me.



Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

Bill was smart enough to not invade Iraq and stay there, and Bush-Cheney
were not smart enough to avoid invading Iraq and staying there.

Just about everything else you fellas have posted on what Clinton did
not do and why falls into the Wild Assed Guess or "Might Have" category,
including what Bill might have done in 2003, a couple of years after he
was out of office.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield.



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.

Actually I forgot that Japan did invade us. The outer Aleutians chain.
Was the reason the Alaska Highway was rushed to completion. 1942, Kiska.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.

So what? Senate Dems voted 29-21 for it. Their votes for it cost both
Kerry and Clinton the Presidency.
Senate Reps voted 48-1 for it.
Whats your point? Wait... Got it.
The Iraq war was the Democrats doing.
Okay. Run with it.

wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:09:13 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 23:27:53 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, July 14, 2014 4:09:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:14:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



On 7/14/14, 12:58 PM, wrote:



Would you have been happier if I just said 3d world people?







What do you mean by "Third World"? Less developed, non-aligned? What?

Not that such terms matter to me any more than skin color. Why are you

so hung up on these mostly passe descriptors?



You've certainly taken this far afield.



Far afield? Farther than you moving from Louisiana to Iraq?



The "brown people" reference was an homage to George Carlin but I

assume that simply went over your head.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDw-zFFhFgc&feature=kp



I simply meant that your hero took weapons designed to attack the

Soviets and turned them loose on defenseless civilians all over the 3d

world. What a ****ing hero.

Even a lefty Clinton lover like Bill Maher was disgusted enough to

lose his job over comments about it.

LOL! You left him speechless. :-)

I guess FDR was wrong about war with Japan. They only attacked us from the
air and sea. Did not invade us. So did not make war upon the USA. Harry,
even sophistry won't save you ass on this one.

By that logic, we were never at war with Japan at all. We never
invaded Japan and they never invaded us.
In fact WWII didn't even start for us until 1945 when we invaded
Germany.
We know that is stupid and we were at war with Iraq from 1991 until
... (watch this space, it doesn't seem to be over yet)
We just had a cease fire for a couple of years but we are back in it
again.

Actually I forgot that Japan did invade us. The outer Aleutians chain.
Was the reason the Alaska Highway was rushed to completion. 1942, Kiska.

Alaska was just a territory in 1942. If you include them you have to
include the Philippines and Guam

I think both those were Protectorates not owned by us.

On 7/15/14, 1:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.




"If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim..."
Kipling

--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

On 7/15/14, 4:37 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:30:00 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 12:53:03 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

If Hillary and 27 other democrats had not voted for the invasion,
there would not have been one.
In fact 11 could have stopped it with a filibuster but they had 77
votes. with 2 abstaining.

So what? Senate Dems voted 29-21 for it. Their votes for it cost both
Kerry and Clinton the Presidency.
Senate Reps voted 48-1 for it.
Whats your point? Wait... Got it.
The Iraq war was the Democrats doing.
Okay. Run with it.


It was certainly the fault of the 27 who put them over 50%+1 or even
the 11 who made the issue filibuster proof.
That is just how the Senate works. It is ironic when you look at the
people who voted for it and where they are today.
Bush and Cheney seem to be the only ones who took any heat for it.

I do find it strange Harry has such a crush on Hillary tho.
She is a confirmed neocon who says her favorite book is the bible.



There isn't a single Republican interested in the 2016 nomination with a
ghost of a chance of getting it that I would trust as the local dogcatcher.



--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

On 7/15/2014 10:53 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/15/14, 12:47 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 06:12:12 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 7/15/14, 2:07 AM, wrote:


This has to be the dumbest right-wing thread ever.

... and you started it, what does that say?
Remember "Ray"?( if not, look at the thread title).


My point was that Clinton wasn't dumb and avoided invading Iraq and
staying there,

His wife ... not so much. She is the only one who is relevant today.

You have no clue what Bill would have done in 2003 if he was still
president but his wife voted for the war, along with the current SoS
and the current VP. As was pointed out Bill's SoS supported the war
too. Are they all dumb? I think so but that may just be me.



Sheesh. It doesn't matter what Bill *might* have done or what Hillary
voted for...

Bill was smart enough to not invade Iraq and stay there, and Bush-Cheney
were not smart enough to avoid invading Iraq and staying there.

Just about everything else you fellas have posted on what Clinton did
not do and why falls into the Wild Assed Guess or "Might Have" category,
including what Bill might have done in 2003, a couple of years after he
was out of office.




That's history. Why don't you critique the modern day dummy in chief.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:01:35 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

If Mrs. Clinton is our best presidential candidate, then America is
worse off intellectually, spiritually, morally, and ethically than I
ever imagined.

===

The real problem is finding good people who want the job, and are
willing to have their lives and reputations dragged through the mud.

On 7/15/2014 8:12 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:01:35 -0600, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

If Mrs. Clinton is our best presidential candidate, then America is
worse off intellectually, spiritually, morally, and ethically than I
ever imagined.

===

The real problem is finding good people who want the job, and are
willing to have their lives and reputations dragged through the mud.



I think the problems we face in this country have no relationship to a
political party. They are mostly economic driven by a growing global
economy with the USA facing (for the first time in it's history) a
serious decline in decent jobs, a decline in our technical leadership
and a decline in our overall global influence.

Frustration is rampant. Finger pointing and laying blame.
Polarization. Malaise al la Jimmy Carter days.

To me, that's the state of the nation. We need real *leadership* and a
plan to bring jobs back and re-establish this country as a major world
power. To date, neither party has come forth with anything to work
towards that goal.