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Windows XP end of support
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/12/2014 1:15 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 1:03 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:16:16 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote: I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln. You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car? Really? Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo. I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone. Take a ride in your wife's car sometime. A grand is really not much for the entertainment system upgrade on a nice car. If I was an Apple guy I would say it was free since it was bundled in the price of a trim package in the Lincoln but that unit was $900 and change if you put it in your F150. Can you talk to your Ipod (and does it listen?). Does it mute and switch over to the phone on command or when you have an incoming call? Does it bluetooth to your smart phone so you can listen to web casts? The wife's LS460 has the Mark Levinson sound system in it. Not cheap, but awesome. Can it do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_LWWgPi0E No, but my Kawi with the slip on exhaust pipe (shorty) would:) |
Windows XP end of support
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... |
Windows XP end of support
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) It wasn't even a personal experience for him. He had a friend who attended a conference... :) I don't know anything about the sort of dirt bike racing his kid does, other than it seems a terrific way for kids to sustain spinal column injuries for no good reason. I do like the Isle of Man motorcycle races, which are also dangerous, of course, but they're more appealing to me. I also like to watch flat track motorcycle racing. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:50:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) Your exasperation with same is very understandable. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) Not to mention you are all ****ed cause I did a google on turning a motorcycle and not one of the pictures depicts what you all said was countersteering...... I won't hold my breath though... I think you all have difficulty accepting anything outside your personal spher....... oh well, you get it... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 8:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:50:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) Your exasperation with same is very understandable. Same question to you. Why don't you acknowledge that I posted last night that you all are partially right... Second... My exasperation with you all ignoring the google link I posted or you just looking at all those bikes turning with the tire turned toward the radius, and lying saying they are countersteering just because you can't take being wrong... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 10:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. Some of us don't read all your posts and some of us, for the posts of yours we do read, can't always understand what it is you are trying to say. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. OK, I get it but still... You don't counter steer your bike through a corner... You may bump the opposite side to get that little sway street bikes like... But like us, you could simply start to lean to the turn and the front end would follow. I am the one who has crossed over here and "learned" by reading.. I see why you do it, I "feel" the motion cause I have been there before, but still.. You on your street bike, and me on my MX bike, can make a left turn without ever "pushing" the left bar forward of the right bar.... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:26:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. With Microsoft, we are all beta testers. Just about the time the software gets stable, they release another version. That is why I still run XP |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:26:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. Well then harry, why not tell us the details of how you became a beta tester for Microsoft? You got a minute right? With Microsoft, we are all beta testers. Just about the time the software gets stable, they release another version. That is why I still run XP |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Which of those many hopped up dirt bikes you have do you ride on the streets? -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 11:16 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:26:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. With Microsoft, we are all beta testers. Just about the time the software gets stable, they release another version. That is why I still run XP So, you are a Microsoft End of Life tester. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 11:19 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:16 AM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 07:26:58 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. Well then harry, why not tell us the details of how you became a beta tester for Microsoft? You got a minute right? I filled out a form that was sent to me by Microsoft in the 1980s, maybe 1986 or so, when I was an every other week or so contributor to a weekly computer magazine called, surprisingly, PC Week. After a while, I was offered a contract by PC Week. At that time, Windows was simply an add-on to MS-DOS. I also wrote a few hardware reviews for PC Magazine, BYTE (always my favorite) and one or two other publications. PC Week looked like this: http://tinyurl.com/dh8jzh What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s? -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. I spend a lot of time when motorcycling making sure I am watching out for cars, crap in the road, and deer crossing. I don't think there is enough time left to practice what Scotty claims works on dirt bikes running at low speeds on mounds of dirt. I don't ride on mounds of dirt. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... |
Windows XP end of support
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 1:15:23 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/12/2014 1:03 PM, wrote: On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:16:16 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote: I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln. You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car? Really? Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo. I guess that Vega you have doesn't have a factory sound system with an MP3 player, 6 pack CD, Nav and blue tooth to your phone. Take a ride in your wife's car sometime. A grand is really not much for the entertainment system upgrade on a nice car. If I was an Apple guy I would say it was free since it was bundled in the price of a trim package in the Lincoln but that unit was $900 and change if you put it in your F150. Can you talk to your Ipod (and does it listen?). Does it mute and switch over to the phone on command or when you have an incoming call? Does it bluetooth to your smart phone so you can listen to web casts? The wife's LS460 has the Mark Levinson sound system in it. Not cheap, but awesome. Can it do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc_LWWgPi0E LOL! I don't think so, but she doesn't need it. She has me! |
Windows XP end of support
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 3:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:46:08 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 12:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:33:16 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s? Writing an inventory system for our store in dBase, among other things. dBase was actually the application that made my computer more than a fancy typewriter. I played around with BASIC and ASSEMBLER a little but dBase is what made my PC productive. I got an early release of dBase III in the early 80s through IBM but I didn't really use it much until the fixes made it stable. The programming language in dBase made it possible to write a total system but sometime you still needed a DOS call to get to some hardware (like my bar code printer) I don't remember why, but I ended up using R-Base. Didn't want to spend the $400? (or whatever the A/T price was) Most of the people using FoxBase, Xbase, Clipper or whatever just balked at the price. I liked the dBase developer edition because you could compile your dBase program as an EXE file and anyone could run it. It made it a lot easier for IBM because we did not have licensing problems when I gave programs to other offices and everyone did not have to actually have dBase installed. We had a pretty active dBase community in the VM forums. A couple of my routines had fairly wide distribution. Actually, I think I wrote a review of R-Base for PC Week, and the software's publisher sent me a copy gratis for the review. I got most of my software that way. I'd send clips of my reviews, and I'd get software and review it for various publications. The software publishers never wanted the review copies back. :) These days, I am using Filemaker Pro, but it's real overkill since all I do with it is maintain a few editorial databases for clients. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/14, 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 15:40:24 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 3:25 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:46:08 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 2/13/14, 12:26 PM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 11:33:16 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: What were you doing computer-wise in the mid-1980s? Writing an inventory system for our store in dBase, among other things. dBase was actually the application that made my computer more than a fancy typewriter. I played around with BASIC and ASSEMBLER a little but dBase is what made my PC productive. I got an early release of dBase III in the early 80s through IBM but I didn't really use it much until the fixes made it stable. The programming language in dBase made it possible to write a total system but sometime you still needed a DOS call to get to some hardware (like my bar code printer) I don't remember why, but I ended up using R-Base. Didn't want to spend the $400? (or whatever the A/T price was) Most of the people using FoxBase, Xbase, Clipper or whatever just balked at the price. I liked the dBase developer edition because you could compile your dBase program as an EXE file and anyone could run it. It made it a lot easier for IBM because we did not have licensing problems when I gave programs to other offices and everyone did not have to actually have dBase installed. We had a pretty active dBase community in the VM forums. A couple of my routines had fairly wide distribution. Actually, I think I wrote a review of R-Base for PC Week, and the software's publisher sent me a copy gratis for the review. I got most of my software that way. I'd send clips of my reviews, and I'd get software and review it for various publications. The software publishers never wanted the review copies back. :) These days, I am using Filemaker Pro, but it's real overkill since all I do with it is maintain a few editorial databases for clients. I guess you did remember then ;-) I got most of that sort of thing from IBM although the first copy of dBase III came from the department of agriculture. My buddy was in charge of trying to consolidate all of their databases into a few platforms and he was always getting evaluation software. He had a couple copies of dBase in the shrink wrap under his desk. They were really trying to keep these things "in the cloud" on a server they could control with one suite of software. It never happened. After 30 years, at that job, they had more platforms that would not talk to each other than they had when he started with several mainframe vendors and a bunch of PC based solutions.. You just can't teach the government new tricks and everyone has his own empire. I sort of remember. I certainly didn't buy R-Base. Or WordPerfect. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself.... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. I understand it as well as you do... I teach it to my riders. I read a lot better than you though... for context, you know... |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 7:11 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself.... LOL. Go ahead Scott. Make a fool out of yourself. I give up trying to provide any helpful information. |
Windows XP end of support
On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:11:52 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. Right.... you are totally superior. Glad I was never one of your teachers.... you don't listen well... I accepted the gyro theory yesterday, understood it well.. John said "through" a corner that was the debate, you are just spewing and listening to yourself.... Here's the problem. John was right, and you're not. Through the corner is correct. Once you let up, you straighten up. You just need some more experience on the streets, or off, the principle's the same. Or, maybe I made up the whole thing. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/13/2014 7:13 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/13/2014 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:12 PM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 11:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 10:06 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:50 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/13/2014 7:26 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 2/13/14, 6:13 AM, KC wrote: On 2/13/2014 12:00 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 6:31:12 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote: Wonder all you like...or not. I was enough of a "contributor" to be a Windoze beta tester for many years and iterations, starting with the crappy 20-diskette distros and the once a week updates. Lying again....... No, he might have gone to a conference.... like everyone else but I doubt it cause he lied that time about getting the upgrade three weeks before the real release... It isn't surprising that you apparently think the only way to become a Microsoft beta tester was to attend a conference. There were and I presume still are many ways and within beta testing, there were groups testing different aspects of distros and sometimes at difference times. The "real release." What a laugh that is. I think Scott sometimes has difficulty accepting anything that is outside of his personal sphere of knowledge or experience. He seems to think that riding a 850+ lb Harley UltraClassic or Honda Goldwing is the same as riding a modern cafe' racer or dirt bike. We slow down to take sharp turns and corners. :-) And you seeem to read things the way you want to see to it you have an arguement... If you read my posts, I acutally posted last night after some research that you guys are probably right... But of course if you acknowledge that post, you can't troll and feel all superior.. No offense Scott but I stopped thoroughly reading your posts on this subject after about the 5th or 6th one that just kept repeating the same thing. Your riding and styles don't apply to everyone. I don't steer a bike with the back tire, nor do I go airborne, pull wheelies or am focused on saving a tenth of a second through a turn. The discussion basically started with a comment about counter-steering in very general terms. You guys are like my buddy.. If he has done something, he can't be wrong.. if he has never done it, I can't be right.. even if I have.....:) Either way. making a turn on a dirtbike and a GPX bike are similar enough... leave out the wheelies and jumps... All I am saying is, of the three of us, I am the only one who has substantial hours on both street and dirt bikes... maybe you give a "bit" of deference to that remembering that (and you have to stipulate to this) that I have trained one of the most technically accurate riders in the NE... And Jess and I card is quickly being filled for training young riders this summer based on what folks see my rider do.... Again, I will stipulate that you can indeed start a turn with a countersteer but you don't have to. But still, once you are in the corner both street and mx, you are not countersteering... Good frekin' grief Scott. Nobody ever said you can't turn without consciously counter steering. Taking a corner is a pretty natural thing to do. The original comment I made was riding a bike *straight* and pushing on the left or right handlebar to demonstrate what counter steering was about. Since then all you have yakked about is all the racing techniques, steering with the back tire, keeping the back tire's thrust in line, and shaving a tenth of a second off a corner. All, as if they anything to do with the original comment. If that's all you heard, you were reading with your heart and not your brain.. sorry... Don't think so. I understand how gyros work. You don't. I understand it as well as you do... I teach it to my riders. I read a lot better than you though... for context, you know... Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore. |
Windows XP end of support
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Windows XP end of support
On 2/14/14, 6:41 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore. and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of the axle forward, it will move down. Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more than one is here just to play.... They don't want to fall off their motorcycles. -- Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of her house. |
Windows XP end of support
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore. and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of the axle forward, it will move down. Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more than one is here just to play.... Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin. After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing. By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously. OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is 'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left, and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'. Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique: http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg The process through a curve:: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean. Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn *without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane. Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use this also.) Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push - just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops, and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore. and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of the axle forward, it will move down. Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more than one is here just to play.... Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin. After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing. By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously. OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is 'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left, and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'. Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique: http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and steers through the turn... got it... http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg The process through a curve:: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it... but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks.... To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean. Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn *without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane. Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use this also.) Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push - just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops, and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 06:41:28 -0500, KC wrote: On 2/14/2014 1:17 AM, wrote: On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:37:24 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Ok. Whatever you say. I quit. Not worth the effort anymore. and overdue. I think most of us know a gyro precesses 90 degrees to the force in the direction of rotation. try to push the left side of the axle forward, it will move down. Wow, no ****.... But still, I showed several bikes turning left, wheels turned left.... And at least I didn't spend my day just ****ing with someone here. Thought I was helping someone, but finally figured more than one is here just to play.... Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin. After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing. By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously. OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is 'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left, and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'. Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique: http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg The process through a curve:: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif To really see what counter steering is doing, use the technique *without* letting your body lean. Just keep your upper body vertical, push the left bar, and the bike will lean left and turn *without* a body lean. Getting good at this will let you quickly swerve to miss an obstacle in your lane, and swerve back so you stay in your lane. Here is another great use for counter steering. (Luddite, if you're reading, you may be able to use this also.) Very often I see riders coming to a stop with both feet down, sliding on the ground, because they don't know which way the bike will lean when it finally stops. I call it a 'four point landing'. A sure-fire way of knowing which way the bike will lean is to give the left handlebar a little push - just before the bike completely stops. This will cause the bike to lean left a bit just as it stops, and you put your left foot down as you stop. That way you can continue to use your foot brake as you are stopping. I call that the 'three point landing'. After many years of riding and owning many motorcycles ... from dirt bikes, small Hondas, a Kawasaki "go fast", two Softails and two Ultraclassics, I gave up riding. Too dangerous. I considered myself to be a fairly proficient and experienced rider. Not perfect but I rode safely. The thing is, riding safely isn't always a unilateral issue when on the roads around here. Plus, like boating, the riding season is short and the older I get the more I like being warm without ten tons of leathers. |
Windows XP end of support
On 2/14/2014 9:30 AM, KC wrote:
On 2/14/2014 7:48 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Scotty, I spent a good part of yesterday trying to explain to you what really happens when you turn a motorcycle. You chose not to believe it, came up with ridiculous 'arguments', put up a picture of a dirt bike in a slide, argued against Wikipedia, expert rider videos, and a Motorcycle Safety Instructor. Then you started putting bull**** words in my mouth and comparing me to Harry and Kevin. After trying to keep a level head, I gave up. That's when I said I'd just made up the whole thing. By looking at Google, Wikipedia, videos, etc, you should have realized I was bull****ting when I said I made it all up. But I'm thinking that was the only thing you took seriously. OK, here's the real poop. Steering a motorcycle at more that 'parking lot' speeds is done using a technique called counter steering. The technique is called 'counter steering' because it is 'counter' to the way we learned how to turn a tricycle. On a motorcycle, we push left to go left, and push right to go right, as was explained in numerous videos, Wikipedia, and over a million hits in Google if you plug in 'counter steering a motorcycle'. Here are some nice pictures explaining the technique: http://www.motorcycletraining.com/wo...eering-pic.jpg Established that yesterday. Motorcycle countersteers, corrects, and steers through the turn... got it... http://xbhp.com/ridesafe/images/coun...ersteering.jpg The process through a curve:: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...cornerbike.gif Yup, counter steer, then steer, then countersteer again.... got it... but not "through the corner".. your own pics are clear.... thanks.... I swore I wouldn't get involved in this anymore, but I have to point out something. Scott, that "gif" image showing the proper way to take a turn is deceiving and not really telling the whole story. It shows a section where you counter-steer to enter and begin the turn. Based on the diagram, you might interpret that you *stop* the counter-steer while in the turn. That's what is deceiving about the diagram. The amount of counter-steer is actually maintained throughout the turn because the forces on the bike and rider remain constant throughout. It *has* to, otherwise you won't completely navigate the turn. However .. if the rear wheel breaks free and aligns with the direction the bike is traveling, the previously established counter-steer requirement will be nullified. You may have to re-establish counter-steer again however to complete the rest of the turn. The pictures you keep referencing are worthless. Where you see pressure on the handlebars in one direction, I see it opposite. The amount of counter-steer is so subtle, you really can't clearly see what is going on. |
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