Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked "sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly". And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



It's kind of naive to assume that everything on a computer is going to
work as expected all the time. I know how the problem with my Canon
device manifested itself to me, but I don't know what the cause was. The
Apple guys looked over some files I sent them and sent me a fix. It
probably will show up in the next fix release from Apple.

It's funny you bring this up, experience Windoze user that you are.
Microsoft releases dozens and dozens of updates all the time, some for
security reasons, some to fix glitches, and some to resolve issues such
as the one I had.

Once in a while, my wife asks me to provide "tech support" for her
Windoze desktop computer in her home office. It's a decent "Dell"
machine, about a year old, with a i5 CPU and, if memory serves, either
six or eight GBs of RAM. The usual problem is that a plain vanilla bit
of hardware, one of her printers or her scanner, is misbehaving for some
reason or another, or her system has decided to spit up and forget her
VPN settings. Fortunately, I remember enough about Windoze to fix this
sort of crap for her, but not always.

But, hey, it's Windoze...and everything "performs as advertised without
having to call AppleCare." Fortunately, I have people other than the
non-English speakers at Microsoft to call when her computer plays stump
the band on me.

"To fix that Windoze issue, just reinstall Windoze."

My personal favorite.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 9:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.



Every version of Windozes and every version of the Mac OS has had
"bugs," some minor and some not minor. This will continue.



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



It's kind of naive to assume that everything on a computer is going to
work as expected all the time. I know how the problem with my Canon
device manifested itself to me, but I don't know what the cause was. The
Apple guys looked over some files I sent them and sent me a fix. It
probably will show up in the next fix release from Apple.

It's funny you bring this up, experience Windoze user that you are.
Microsoft releases dozens and dozens of updates all the time, some for
security reasons, some to fix glitches, and some to resolve issues such
as the one I had.

Once in a while, my wife asks me to provide "tech support" for her
Windoze desktop computer in her home office. It's a decent "Dell"
machine, about a year old, with a i5 CPU and, if memory serves, either
six or eight GBs of RAM. The usual problem is that a plain vanilla bit
of hardware, one of her printers or her scanner, is misbehaving for some
reason or another, or her system has decided to spit up and forget her
VPN settings. Fortunately, I remember enough about Windoze to fix this
sort of crap for her, but not always.

But, hey, it's Windoze...and everything "performs as advertised without
having to call AppleCare." Fortunately, I have people other than the
non-English speakers at Microsoft to call when her computer plays stump
the band on me.

"To fix that Windoze issue, just reinstall Windoze."

My personal favorite.


How does Apple do a general update of their current OSX? You mentioned
that the "fix" for your problem will probably show up in the next fix
release from Apple. Does Apple routinely update the current operating
system and does it happen automatically or do you need to call
AppleCare? Not trying to be a wise ass ... I just don't know how it works.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing
me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor
glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while
hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with
Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



It's kind of naive to assume that everything on a computer is going to
work as expected all the time. I know how the problem with my Canon
device manifested itself to me, but I don't know what the cause was. The
Apple guys looked over some files I sent them and sent me a fix. It
probably will show up in the next fix release from Apple.

It's funny you bring this up, experience Windoze user that you are.
Microsoft releases dozens and dozens of updates all the time, some for
security reasons, some to fix glitches, and some to resolve issues such
as the one I had.

Once in a while, my wife asks me to provide "tech support" for her
Windoze desktop computer in her home office. It's a decent "Dell"
machine, about a year old, with a i5 CPU and, if memory serves, either
six or eight GBs of RAM. The usual problem is that a plain vanilla bit
of hardware, one of her printers or her scanner, is misbehaving for some
reason or another, or her system has decided to spit up and forget her
VPN settings. Fortunately, I remember enough about Windoze to fix this
sort of crap for her, but not always.

But, hey, it's Windoze...and everything "performs as advertised without
having to call AppleCare." Fortunately, I have people other than the
non-English speakers at Microsoft to call when her computer plays stump
the band on me.

"To fix that Windoze issue, just reinstall Windoze."

My personal favorite.


How does Apple do a general update of their current OSX? You mentioned
that the "fix" for your problem will probably show up in the next fix
release from Apple. Does Apple routinely update the current operating
system and does it happen automatically or do you need to call
AppleCare? Not trying to be a wise ass ... I just don't know how it
works.




Every so often, not on a particular schedule, Apple will post software
updates, which include OS updates. You should see a little pop up in the
upper right hand corner of your screen that tells you there is an update
and it will tell you what it is and ask whether you want to install it.

Also, if you click on the Apple in the upper left corner, the second
entry there will say Software Updates. If you click on that, it will
take you to the repository and will let you know if there are updates
for your machine or any apple software you have installed.

I also use MacUpdateDesktop to inform me about updates for non-Apple
software.

https://www.macupdate.com/desktop/

$20 a year for that one.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 9:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.



Every version of Windozes and every version of the Mac OS has had
"bugs," some minor and some not minor. This will continue.



You are fortunate to have a personal team of experts to help with your
issues. Computer issues that is.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 10:30 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 10:18 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 9:46 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing
me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor
glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your
"hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while
hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with
Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve.
They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



It's kind of naive to assume that everything on a computer is going to
work as expected all the time. I know how the problem with my Canon
device manifested itself to me, but I don't know what the cause was. The
Apple guys looked over some files I sent them and sent me a fix. It
probably will show up in the next fix release from Apple.

It's funny you bring this up, experience Windoze user that you are.
Microsoft releases dozens and dozens of updates all the time, some for
security reasons, some to fix glitches, and some to resolve issues such
as the one I had.

Once in a while, my wife asks me to provide "tech support" for her
Windoze desktop computer in her home office. It's a decent "Dell"
machine, about a year old, with a i5 CPU and, if memory serves, either
six or eight GBs of RAM. The usual problem is that a plain vanilla bit
of hardware, one of her printers or her scanner, is misbehaving for some
reason or another, or her system has decided to spit up and forget her
VPN settings. Fortunately, I remember enough about Windoze to fix this
sort of crap for her, but not always.

But, hey, it's Windoze...and everything "performs as advertised without
having to call AppleCare." Fortunately, I have people other than the
non-English speakers at Microsoft to call when her computer plays stump
the band on me.

"To fix that Windoze issue, just reinstall Windoze."

My personal favorite.


How does Apple do a general update of their current OSX? You mentioned
that the "fix" for your problem will probably show up in the next fix
release from Apple. Does Apple routinely update the current operating
system and does it happen automatically or do you need to call
AppleCare? Not trying to be a wise ass ... I just don't know how it
works.




Every so often, not on a particular schedule, Apple will post software
updates, which include OS updates. You should see a little pop up in the
upper right hand corner of your screen that tells you there is an update
and it will tell you what it is and ask whether you want to install it.

Also, if you click on the Apple in the upper left corner, the second
entry there will say Software Updates. If you click on that, it will
take you to the repository and will let you know if there are updates
for your machine or any apple software you have installed.

I also use MacUpdateDesktop to inform me about updates for non-Apple
software.

https://www.macupdate.com/desktop/

$20 a year for that one.



Thanks. I've been checking for updates from time to time by clicking on
Apple (upper left corner) and then for Software Updates. So far, none.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.

Windows XP end of support
 

On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:12:15 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:







You love playing with new toys. Admit it.



Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.



We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.

It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according

to the weather people.



It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than

one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow

storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold

so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having

a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the

tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.



We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he

can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.

We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's

magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the

northeast.


Wear that storm down as much as you can... it is scheduled to arrive here mid day or later on Thursday.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 11:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.





Maybe it's tool late to consider the purchase of a snow thrower. ;-)

Make sure the new place has a couple of level pads with full hookups.

Only 6 more weeks of winter. yay.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 11:20 AM, True North wrote:
On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 12:12:15 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:







You love playing with new toys. Admit it.



Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.



We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.

It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according

to the weather people.



It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than

one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow

storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold

so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having

a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the

tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.



We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he

can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.

We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's

magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the

northeast.


Wear that storm down as much as you can... it is scheduled to arrive here mid day or later on Thursday.

If you don't like snow why are you in Canada? Most Canadians are down in
florida right now.

Windows XP end of support
 

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:12:15 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.


We're supposed to get 4-8", so maybe you won't get as much.

Windows XP end of support
 

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.

Windows XP end of support
 

Funny man!
If "most Canadians" were down there, we run off y'all rednecks and keep the place as our own.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.


--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 12:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.



Well, *that* covers everything, eh?

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.




I just finished a minimal site developed with a "canned site"... Not all
it's cracked up to be really. A collection of scripts that lead to empty
boxes and tags that you have to move from page to page and
div class= tags everywhere.... I took a lot of time because I put
scripts inside of scripts and had to still have everything line up.

Spent two weeks, 12+ hours a day because of the learning curve with the
different scripts that came in the package, but at the same time now I
know how to write flash movies, and such... etc...

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 1:07 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.


How did you get stuck beta testing?

Windows XP end of support
 

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:13:07 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 12:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:35:15 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 07:50:12 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 02:22:55 -0500, wrote:


Being a "hobbyist" I have a lot of experience with drivers, like
starting with a box of junk parts and trying to find the drivers to
get it going on DOS 6.3 or W/98.
Sometimes I am working backward from the numbers on the chips trying
to figure out if someone beside the maker of the board or card I have
wrote a driver for that chip set. I have had fairly good luck.

As long as it is XP, the drivers are easy to get.

One disturbing thing is those old "free" driver sites like driver
guide make you jump through hoops now and they usually try to get you
to download some spyware laden spam generator ... or worse.
I am getting to the point that I just don't use them and stick with
manufacturer sites, even if it is not the one that made the part I
have. Dell is a fairly good resource because they incorporated so many
different chip sets in their stuff but figuring out which product to
use can be tough if you don't actually have the Dell "magic code
number" in question. It can be quite the detective job sometimes and I
end up with a lot of the wrong drivers,.

A good trick is to image your drive at the first good boot before you
start loading strange drivers. Find the ones that work, then set the
wayback machine to when you did that boot so you don't have the
remnants of weird drivers out there.
I always build a good disk with all the drivers for every machine I
build, then copy it to the D: drive on that machine so next time, it
goes easy. I also started putting a listing of everything I know about
the drivers in the disk box (chip set etc) . I hate looking twice for
the same driver.

Maybe I've been lucky. I've not searched for a driver for at least ten years.

As long as you buy new stuff and you are running a supported OS you
should not have to.
I have done plenty of "hobby" stuff, using junk parts and archaic OS's

I just went to the AMD site to check the drivers for my video card. With minimal info, a driver
check is performed from the web site, the appropriate driver is downloaded, and a double-click
executed the installation program. The program first checks to see if the latest driver is already
installed. Mine was. End of story.



Well, *that* covers everything, eh?

Yup. Problem solved.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/10/14, 4:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/10/2014 7:33 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/10/14, 6:31 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says...


Have you contacted Apple directly via Apple Care? I had a problem
getting the built-in wifi on my new little Canon camera to link up
consistently with my new iMac. I contacted Apple care last week, an
engineer called me, he had a solution that partially worked and said he
would escalate the problem to a development team. He called me on
Saturday to let me know the "team" sent him an email saying it was
working on the problem and might get back to him this week.

I'm beginning to see why the computer-illiterate prefer Apple.
Hand-holding.
I wonder how many people here with Win systems have talked to or
exchanged e-mails with Window tech support.
Not me.


Yeah, right, because Windoze users are all able to code their own device
drivers and wifi hooks and so there's no reason to contact Microsoft.





Who "codes" their own device drivers? The driver typically comes with
the device, is already installed in Windows or can be easily found
on-line. I've noticed that more often than not (especially on the Win7
machine) that when I hook up a new device ... like the flatbed scanner
... Windows automatically detects and loads the driver if it happens to
exist in the device ... or automatically finds the appropriate one (I
assume on the 'net) and installs it. I haven't used a CD supplied with
a device for a long time to load a driver. Plug and Play and it works.

Wi-Fi is duck soup (assuming the recycled equipment from Comcast works).
Even if it doesn't, it's not very difficult to figure out where the
problem resides.

That all said, I've found the same to be true with the iMac ... with the
annoying exception that I've previously bitched about regarding midi
input events.

I talked again today to my recording engineer friend to make sure I am
not missing something somewhere. It appears I am doing everything
correctly as far as the midi device, cabling and midi to USB conversion.
It's exactly what he is doing in his recording studio. Only difference
is that his iMac is the older version and he is running Mountain Lion.
He also is aware of reported problems with Mavericks in the application
important to his livelihood and is holding off upgrading until the
issues are resolved.


I had to write drivers in my last job. Is not real hard. There are a
lot of calls in Visual C and Visual Basic to build the required driver.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 3:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?



And you pay for Apple Care.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 6:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 6:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?


The last time I tried coding software was in the late 1980s. Oh .. I
also html coded the original "boats of rec boats" website because
canned website building software was just starting to be developed.

Since then, I've had no reason or requirement (as a computer user) to
"code" anything. Any issues with using an external device with Windows
either works fine or has had minor configuration issues to resolve. They
don't require writing code or calling Microsoft for a custom written
software update.

Geeze. You're starting to make me concerned about my iMac. For the
price she paid, the damn thing should perform as advertised without
having to resort to calling Apple Care or installing custom software
patches.



Friend years ago was an Apple Developer for the earlier Macs. He said
the book describing BIOS calls was huge. Way to many calls to be
efficient. No wonder there are bugs.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 8:12 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 10:57 AM, HanK wrote:



You love playing with new toys. Admit it.

Tell you what I *don't* love. Snow storms.

We have another one arriving Thursday and going into Friday.
It's going to cause problems up the entire East Coast as well according
to the weather people.

It has been a fairly rough winter up here with too much snow. Other than
one that dumped about 16", they have been not been block busters of snow
storms but they have been arriving on a weekly basis. It has stayed cold
so melting has been minimal. I am going to start having problems having
a place to plow more snow away and the places I pile it up with the
tractor are getting too high for the bucket's reach.

We sign the official papers with the realtor on Thursday ... assuming he
can make it to the house in the snow. It will soon be on the market.
We'll probably move to a warmer place only to find out the earth's
magnetic poles have flipped and the new location will replicate the
northeast.





My buddy when he lived at Lake Tahoe had problems one year with the too
much snowfall. The berms along the street got too high for the scrapers
and they had to use Rotary Plows. Lots of windows being broke by ice
chunks and rocks picked up by the plow. Probably frozen dog turds also.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 2:36 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 3:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?



And you pay for Apple Care.

So?

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the privilege.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 2:53 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the privilege.


I really got a kick out of the guys on the other end of the phone
reading to me from Microsoft's Knowledge Base pages. That happened with
Microsoft and it happened with HP, too.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 11:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:36 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 3:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with Apple's
OS. Right?



And you pay for Apple Care.

So?

You seem to imply it is supplied thru altruism by Apple. Just because
you bought an Apple product.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 11:56 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:53 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the
privilege.


I really got a kick out of the guys on the other end of the phone
reading to me from Microsoft's Knowledge Base pages. That happened with
Microsoft and it happened with HP, too.

Group I worked with did not have a script.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 3:03 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:52 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:36 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 3:55 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 4:11 AM, KC wrote:


Sigh. Yet more problems for Windozes users. Meanwhile, an Apple
software
developer called me this morning to let me know he'd be emailing
me a
small test program which he thinks will take care of a minor
glitch I
had with a bit of hardware. Oh, he was in North Carolina and spoke
"Americanese." And what did I pay for my copy of Apple Mavericks OS
that
I installed on my laptop? Why...nothing.

Thank you, Microsoft.


This get's funnier and funnier every time.. Now you have a personal
tech
guy just to fix a "minor glitch" (aka, lobsta boat) on your "hardware"
(also lobsta boat)... I have been running my machine for years. Got a
video card changed a couple years back, still doing fine. Today I
was at
a client running Paint shop Pro, Dreamweaver, Macromedia Flash Maker,
Any video converter, Firefox, Chrome, a text editor, and downloading
movies from the customer computer.... all at the same time while
hooked
up to a verison wireless router and doing live edits to his website
adding video and photos... .. No crashes.. I just don't see what the
big
deal is with you guys...



Ahh, but you see, Apple products come with first-rate customer care.
When I couldn't get my Canon camera to link up properly over WiFi with
my new iMac, no matter what I did, I called AppleCare and the case was
assigned to one of its contract developers, who made some suggestions
and when they didn't work, he escalated it to a workgroup, a member of
whom called me and emailed a utility to me that Apple has to download
and transmit certain files from my machine. It took two days for the
tech to get back to me with a file he emailed and I loaded. Solved the
problem.

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the
highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

Have a nice day.



Now, I know the great Windoze gurus here could have solved the problem
as easily as a roomful of monkeys sitting at typewriters could write
Joyce's Ulysses, right, because the gurus here are so up to date and
experienced in coding contemporary software that interfaces with
Apple's
OS. Right?



And you pay for Apple Care.

So?

You seem to imply it is supplied thru altruism by Apple. Just because
you bought an Apple product.

No, I never said or implied that. I do believe you get one year of
AppleCare with a new computer, and if you want more lengthy coverage,
you can buy two more years for about $75 a year. I always buy the
additional coverage.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.


Well, then, maybe you should order one of these:

http://tinyurl.com/p3talyj

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/2014 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

I like that.. Spinning Beach Ball of Death!

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 4:01 PM, KC wrote:
On 2/11/2014 3:04 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 11:54 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 2/11/14, 2:40 PM, Bill McKee wrote:
On 2/11/14, 6:41 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/11/2014 8:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 8:02:46 AM UTC-5, F.O.A.D. wrote:

The "drivers" on my Mac worked properly but sporadically with the
camera. No other devices I connect with Wi Fi were having problems.
There are limited numbers of settings to try from this end. So, I
called
Mac and they came up with a solution that worked.

Might want to re-read that first sentence. The fact that it worked
"sporadically" means, by definition, it did *not* work "properly".
And the fact that Apple (not Canon) had to come up with a fix
means it
was buggy Apple software.


Have a nice day.

I will. :-)



The problem (which no one likes to admit) is that the latest OSX from
Apple called "Mavericks" has some bugs. Harry has apparently
experienced a minor one. I have an issue that is well known but, to
date, Apple has not resolved. The Apple Support forums are full of
people with complaints and problems. Right now I am sorta wishing I
had
held off upgrading to Mavericks. Based on what I've read, the
previous
OSX (Mountain Lion) was optimized and stable. I don't know how
Apple
updates it's current OSX with improvements. I occasionally check for
software updates on the iMac but so far it just reports that the
version
I have is current.


I found out today the Spinning ball of death. Apple equivelent to Blue
Screen of Death. Found out how to Force Quit a progam today because of
that. Was a Pages problem. Lots of comments on the problem on the
Apple Forums.


It's actually called a "beach ball."

OK, the Spinning Beach Ball of Death.

I like that.. Spinning Beach Ball of Death!


Actually, it isn't quite the same as the renowned Blue Screen of Death.
The few times I have seen the beachball, I've been able to recover
without rebooting or shutting down my computers. If memory serves, the
BSODs always required a shutdown. Well, that's what I remember about them.

http://tinyurl.com/phm88n5



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 4:17 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:07:28 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key.

Oh, right. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, that was my experience with my retail keyed
Windozes.

I did get more help when I was a Microsoft Windoze beta tester.

You must have just been your same charming self you are here and they
****ed you.



I'm quite charming. Rec.boats gets the version of me it deserves, though
I admit it's difficult keeping up in nastiness with the right-wing
snarkasses here. I think I have four or five right-wing snarkasses in my
bozo bin, along with our terminally stupid Canadian "Scotty" friend, who
may or may not be a right-winger, but definitely is a snarkass.



--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On 2/11/14, 4:45 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:53:09 -0800, Bill McKee
wrote:

On 2/11/14, 7:54 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 06:55:56 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

But, of course, Windows XP is sooooo much mo'betta, and so is the highly
touted Microsoft support, so long as you want to deal with guys whose
first and second languages ain't English and whose ultimate answer
usually is, "Well, just reload windows."

That is what you get with the OEM support. Microsoft can give you the
right answer if you have a retail key. The only time I ever talked to
them, they sounded "merican" to me. When I went to Dell (the OEM), I
got "Bob from Bombay" who said I had to reload the system.

The only reason I called in the first place was that was what the only
message I had said to do (registration problems)
I ended up figuring it out myself, like I have done for the rest of
the 30 years I have been running Wintel products..

I used to talk to MS about problems at times. Both ours and theirs, but
the equipment I designed and the test systems, were run on PC's so I was
listed as a developer and got direct connection to engineers and not Bob
of Bombay. Was not bad service. But we also paid money for the privilege.

When I was still working, the best source of information was the old
VM Forums.
I never had a reason to talk to Microsoft about anything.


How wonderful, eh? So therefore you are an expert on Microsoft tech
support! I get it.

--
Sarah Palin is watching the Sochi Olympic Games from the front porch of
her house.

Windows XP end of support
 

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:22:36 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 2/11/14, 4:11 PM, wrote:

I finally gave up on the idea because you are going to be replacing
all the capacitors before you start. I am using commercial in dash
players now and they all suck, including the $1000 one in the Lincoln.


You spent $1000 to get a music player in your car?

Really?

Gosh, I just use a $10 cable to plug an iPhone or iPod into the car stereo.

You think you didn't pay for the stereo in your car?

Hee, hee!