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On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. |
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On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. Earlier this week, as a contemporary example, "officials" in West Virginia said the water in the area near the chemical spill was "safe." The next day, yesterday, I believe, pregnant women were warned against using it. The time I spent in The Associated Press in West Virginia was an eye opener in terms of the efforts I saw being made by those "in charge" to hide the amounts of pollution of various kinds being inhaled by workers, their families and others. |
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On 1/17/14, 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. Earlier this week, as a contemporary example, "officials" in West Virginia said the water in the area near the chemical spill was "safe." The next day, yesterday, I believe, pregnant women were warned against using it. The time I spent in The Associated Press in West Virginia was an eye opener in terms of the efforts I saw being made by those "in charge" to hide the amounts of pollution of various kinds being inhaled by workers, their families and others. Forgot I wanted to add this URL from National Geo on the West Virginia chemical "problems" : http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...al-spill-coal/ |
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On 1/17/2014 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. It's certainly possible but would require a coverup of enormous proportions. The lawyer is claiming about 70 people were affected in some way, half developing cancer. The remaining crew, numbering well over 5,000 are apparently radiation disease and cancer free. They drank the same water, coffee and took showers with the same water. In order for some crew members to develop cancer or exhibit symptoms of radiation sickness/poisoning in such a relatively short time period, the levels of radiation would have to be very high. If that were the case, wouldn't you expect to see many more cases? Of 5,000 to 6,000 people in the civilian world how many develop cancer in some form? I don't know the answer but 35 out of 5,000-6,000 doesn't seem unreasonable. |
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On 1/17/14, 9:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/17/2014 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. It's certainly possible but would require a coverup of enormous proportions. The lawyer is claiming about 70 people were affected in some way, half developing cancer. The remaining crew, numbering well over 5,000 are apparently radiation disease and cancer free. They drank the same water, coffee and took showers with the same water. In order for some crew members to develop cancer or exhibit symptoms of radiation sickness/poisoning in such a relatively short time period, the levels of radiation would have to be very high. If that were the case, wouldn't you expect to see many more cases? Of 5,000 to 6,000 people in the civilian world how many develop cancer in some form? I don't know the answer but 35 out of 5,000-6,000 doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't know that it is a cover up or denial, or anything like that. I hope not. But the point was that "officialdom," be it civilian, military, or corporate, often tries to play down the impact of such events. Do you suppose the entire crew of that ship has been checked out? |
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On 1/17/2014 9:33 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 1/17/14, 9:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/17/2014 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. It's certainly possible but would require a coverup of enormous proportions. The lawyer is claiming about 70 people were affected in some way, half developing cancer. The remaining crew, numbering well over 5,000 are apparently radiation disease and cancer free. They drank the same water, coffee and took showers with the same water. In order for some crew members to develop cancer or exhibit symptoms of radiation sickness/poisoning in such a relatively short time period, the levels of radiation would have to be very high. If that were the case, wouldn't you expect to see many more cases? Of 5,000 to 6,000 people in the civilian world how many develop cancer in some form? I don't know the answer but 35 out of 5,000-6,000 doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't know that it is a cover up or denial, or anything like that. I hope not. But the point was that "officialdom," be it civilian, military, or corporate, often tries to play down the impact of such events. Do you suppose the entire crew of that ship has been checked out? I have a hunch that given the media coverage of the environmental lawyer's lawsuit that the Navy has instituted some additional screening. Unfortunately there are some ... even maybe many ... who serve in the military for a minimum period of time (two or four years) and claim a service related injury or disease before being discharged in order to receive life time benefits in terms of medical care, disability payments, etc., that they otherwise would not be entitled to. When I was nearing the end of my nine year term in the Navy certain people actually lectured and encouraged me to "fall down" on duty and claim a back injury or something. I know of one person who entered the Navy as a drug addict. She managed to pass all the pre-screening and physical exams but shortly after or during boot camp her addiction became known to Navy personnel and docs. Because she was now "government property" she was put in a "hold" status after only being in the Navy for less than two months. The Navy then put her through a de-tox and rehab program and then medically discharged her under honorable conditions. She remains entitled to VA medical care, federal housing assistance programs and other "bennies" even though she served a total of 6 months, most of which was spent in a rehab program. You are paying for that in your taxes. |
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On 1/17/2014 9:23 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 1/17/2014 8:12 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 1/17/14, 7:51 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:55:28 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 00:03:03 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 14:24:14 -0500, wrote: Yes it would. Let me know when you finish drinking your product water and I'll come over with a Geiger counter. I have to believe they have good radiation detection equipment on any ship built since the Truman administration. I wonder if the detection/monitoring system turns on when the Captain turns the key, or if it must be turned on when someone gives the order. If you goggle the following: radiation detection aboard u.s. navy ships you'll find plenty of "hits" regarding various U.S. ships and helicopters "irradiated" by the power plant problems in Japan. It's interesting that the Navy is so quick to say that the amount of radiation deposited on various crew members was only equal to a month's average or several month's average, and so forth. Officialdom, be it military, corporate or civilian, has a history of grossly understating the levels of pollutants to which the ordinary folks and workers are exposed. The United States denied for a long time the impact on civilians and its own troops of its chemical warfare programs conducted against the people of Vietnam. It's certainly possible but would require a coverup of enormous proportions. The lawyer is claiming about 70 people were affected in some way, half developing cancer. The remaining crew, numbering well over 5,000 are apparently radiation disease and cancer free. They drank the same water, coffee and took showers with the same water. In order for some crew members to develop cancer or exhibit symptoms of radiation sickness/poisoning in such a relatively short time period, the levels of radiation would have to be very high. If that were the case, wouldn't you expect to see many more cases? Of 5,000 to 6,000 people in the civilian world how many develop cancer in some form? I don't know the answer but 35 out of 5,000-6,000 doesn't seem unreasonable. Ok, I looked up the numbers. New cancer occurrences (of all types) are 463.0 per 100,000 men and women per year. The Reagan has well over 5,000 crewmembers ... probably closer to 6,000 when you count the deployed air squadrons. So, statistically, the reported cancer cases (35) on the Reagan are about 10 more than the national average. Doesn't seem that far out of being normal and certainly not highly unusual. |
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