On 12/4/2013 10:31 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in
Florida.

I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in
technical skills you don't even get off the starting block..


You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical
skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric skills" to
which you refer?

Abstract thinking and learning new things.



You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend much
of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false
equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have trained
you to avoid that.

I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I
marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000
enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the
negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the
history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its
line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to
become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a
contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I
really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur programmer in
Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no educational
or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both
feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then,
including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love.

I was wonder where you got your peodophilic tendencies from and now I know.

PL/M is a much better language than PASCAL.

To Harry it's a miraculous milestone. To the rest of us it's just stuff
we do.

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Americans deserve better.

On 12/5/2013 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k

Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in
mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them,
sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of
pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill.

I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM
experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to
handle the system 360/370 surge.
It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but
we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not
how we should have designed it,
Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and
the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite
effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the
guy with the Solar house in Manassas)

Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough
time doing.

This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the
USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate
was a scary thing in the 60s.


Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying
change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could
have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and
children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh?

This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army.
LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war.


Harry seems to be proud to be a coward.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/5/2013 7:59 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/5/13, 12:52 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"

wrote:

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in
universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k

Military schools are taught with a particular practical
application in
mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them,
sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of
pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill.

I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM
experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to
handle the system 360/370 surge.
It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but
we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them,
not
how we should have designed it,
Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and
the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite
effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the
guy with the Solar house in Manassas)

Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not
enough
time doing.

This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the
USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate
was a scary thing in the 60s.


Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying
change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could
have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and
children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh?

This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army.
LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war.


The reality is that within a couple of days after inheriting the
presidency, Johnson made strong statements about stopping Communism in
SE Asia and well before the 1964 presidential elections had started
sending thousands of troops to Vietnam. There were about 18,000 US
troops there before the end of 1964 and a couple of hundred thousand by
the end of 1965. I was still getting my undergrad degree, and no one
thought we still had a "Sargent Bilko" army.

You must have been shaking in your boots.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/4/2013 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.



I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.



I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.


Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.



How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.


Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.


I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.



Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.


I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.



Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic,
when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments
and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.


Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept.
And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised.


You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised?

Hehehe.

Are you related to PsychoSnotty?

I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the
unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they
were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer.


When I owned a business, I did not hire illegals. I hired them one time
because the EDD did not send any people, or the people they sent were to
lazy to show up. I at least actually hired people when I owned a business.
Not brag (lie?) about hiring people with full benefits, and long
vacations. Did you actually ever hire someone? Give them benefits?

Harry did hire Amish, non union contractors to paint his red barn. Don't
you remember him bragging about it?

--
Americans deserve better.

On 12/4/2013 11:13 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.



I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.



I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.


Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.



How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.


Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.


I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.



Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.


I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.


Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you *really* think. :-)

Sometimes, you get fed up with Stupid. Seems as if education matters to
Harry unless, it is a conservative person. I bet Newt has degrees from a
higher rated university than Kansas State. For a person so full of
himself, you find very little on the internet regards his CV. Other than
being a spokesperson for a bunch of union money thiefs.

The only thing Harry wrote for BYTE was in 1985 about a:

Paradise Modular Graphics Card 321
A multifunction color/graphics card for the IBM PC
Harry Krause

I remember that article. It was verbatim from the retail box. Any fool
could do that.

--
Americans deserve better.

wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 07:59:30 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:


This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army.
LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war.


The reality is that within a couple of days after inheriting the
presidency, Johnson made strong statements about stopping Communism in
SE Asia and well before the 1964 presidential elections had started
sending thousands of troops to Vietnam. There were about 18,000 US
troops there before the end of 1964 and a couple of hundred thousand by
the end of 1965. I was still getting my undergrad degree, and no one
thought we still had a "Sargent Bilko" army.

By 1965 both if us were already in uniform.
In 1964 the Sgt Bilko army was very real.
If you were lucky you got in the Elvis army and went to Europe.
Most people were sitting outside an officer's club somewhere in
Fumbuck USA painting rocks white.
Our only real presence in Vietnam was a few special forces units and
they were supposed to be "nation building" if you believed the
propaganda being churned out by the government.
LBJ was the peace candidate and Goldwater was supposed to be the war
monger.

What a difference a year made.

The joke at the time was "They said, If you vote for Goldwater we will
have a war in Vietnam. I voted for Goldwater and we have a war in
Vietnam"

By the end if 1965 we had lots of soldiers getting killed in Viet Nam. I
was finishing electronics school at Keesler AFB in ground Nav Aids and
Instrument Landing Systems. The army was looking for lots more chopper
pilots. The army Sargent came to Keesler and was offering Warrant Officer
slots to those of us who were top in class and could pass a flight
physical. Decided was not a healthy career move, even though I love to
fly.

Hank© wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.



I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.



I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in
Florida.


Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.



How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.


Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.


I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.



Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.


I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.



Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic,
when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments
and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.


Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept.
And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised.


You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised?

Hehehe.

Are you related to PsychoSnotty?

I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the
unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they
were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer.


When I owned a business, I did not hire illegals. I hired them one time
because the EDD did not send any people, or the people they sent were to
lazy to show up. I at least actually hired people when I owned a business.
Not brag (lie?) about hiring people with full benefits, and long
vacations. Did you actually ever hire someone? Give them benefits?

Harry did hire Amish, non union contractors to paint his red barn. Don't
you remember him bragging about it?


They were not employees. Did he pay FUTA and other taxes to the government
for those "employees"?

wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k

Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in
mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them,
sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of
pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill.

I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM
experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to
handle the system 360/370 surge.
It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but
we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not
how we should have designed it,
Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and
the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite
effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the
guy with the Solar house in Manassas)

Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough
time doing.

This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the
USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate
was a scary thing in the 60s.


Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying
change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could
have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and
children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh?

This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army.
LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war.

And he signed the letter inviting me to war.

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 11:24:36 -0600, Califbill wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:54:57 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 3:39 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:39:10 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

On 12/4/2013 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:48:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't k

Military schools are taught with a particular practical application in
mind. They want people who can analyse problems and fix them,
sometimes without the proper parts and possibly under a lot of
pressure. That is not a "theory" type skill.

I did see the two philosophies side by side. In the 70s IBM
experimented with hiring EEs because we could not find enough vets to
handle the system 360/370 surge.
It was a disaster. They may have been great in abstract thinking but
we wanted guys who could think about the problem in front of them, not
how we should have designed it,
Of the 4 we had, 2 were simply fired, one moved on to management and
the 4th went off to be a design engineer, where he was actually quite
effective. That is the guy I visited on my Colorado trip. (also the
guy with the Solar house in Manassas)

Some of those guys spend much too much time contemplating and not enough
time doing.

This was one of the smartest guys I know ... but he also did 4 in the
USAF after he went to college. That 1A you get the day you graduate
was a scary thing in the 60s.


Gee. You almost have me feeling bad for not doing more than supplying
change of addresses when appropriate to my local draft board. I could
have been drafted and sent to Vietnam to burn villages, women and
children. That would have been...so contemplative, eh?

This was the time of worrying about being in the Sargent Bilko army.
LBJ was recently elected and he promised we would not go to war.

And he signed the letter inviting me to war.

He signed mine too. He was really into writing letters.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 12/5/2013 12:24 PM, Califbill wrote:
Hank© wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.



I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.



I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in
Florida.


Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.



How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

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Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.


Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.


I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.



Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.


I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.



Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic,
when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments
and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.


Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept.
And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised.


You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised?

Hehehe.

Are you related to PsychoSnotty?

I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the
unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they
were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer.


When I owned a business, I did not hire illegals. I hired them one time
because the EDD did not send any people, or the people they sent were to
lazy to show up. I at least actually hired people when I owned a business.
Not brag (lie?) about hiring people with full benefits, and long
vacations. Did you actually ever hire someone? Give them benefits?

Harry did hire Amish, non union contractors to paint his red barn. Don't
you remember him bragging about it?


They were not employees. Did he pay FUTA and other taxes to the government
for those "employees"?

Are you Kidding me? Krause won't even pay his personal taxes.

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