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F.O.A.D.

On 12/4/13, 5:39 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:07 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 3:38 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 3:20 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:47:14 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 12/4/13, 12:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:34:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D."
wrote:

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from
such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high
buddy in
Florida.

I seem to be able to keep up with you in the esoteric skills and in
technical skills you don't even get off the starting block..

You're not the junior high school buddy in Florida. My "technical
skills" are where I need them to be. What are the "esoteric
skills" to
which you refer?

Abstract thinking and learning new things.

You are free to believe what you want. My opinion is that you spend
much
of your abstract thinking time looking for or putting together false
equivalencies. A couple of good college logic courses would have
trained
you to avoid that.

I think we both do very well "learning new things." In the 1970s, I
marketed a little-known federal health insurance plan from 20,000
enrollees to 650,000+ enrollees in three years, and served twice on the
negotiating team that gave birth to the largest labor contracts in the
history of the United States. In the 1980s, after IBM introduced its
line of PCs, I managed to learn enough about the little beasties to
become a regular columnist for Ziff-Davis computer publications, a
contributor to BYTE magazine (which is the only such print magazine I
really miss), a penpal of Arthur C. Clarke, and an amateur
programmer in
Pascal and Modula, thanks to books I read by Wirth. I had no
educational
or technical background in those areas prior to jumping in with both
feet. I've added other personal knowledge milestones since then,
including become fairly proficient in Spanish, which I love.

I'll jump in to make this comment:

Harry, there's no question you are a very accomplished fella and value
your education greatly. I think the problem some of us have is your
condescending attitude about others and your perception that their
backgrounds, schools, talents and/or knowledge is inferior to yours. I
don't think you actually believe that .... it's just the way you come
across.

I guess the real question is, "Do you do it on purpose"?

Perhaps I am just responding to the anti-intellectual, anti formal
education bias that so pervades this newsgroup. Neither I nor any of my
close friends from high school went to college to "learn a useful
trade." Several of those posters here have no apparent skills in
anything, yet they put down those who have tried to improve their
intellectual lots in life through formal education.

I wasn't a child of leisure. I paid for most of my first degree with
summer jobs and academic year jobs, and got lucky with a fellowship for
my M.A., which only required me to be a grad student instructor.

I went to college to expand my knowledge base of what I thought and
think was important to me, to learn and sharpen thinking skills, to
become a true student of the liberal arts. After I met physical
chemistry in college and it nearly killed me ( ) ,I gave up my
pursuit of becoming an M.D., a profession that interested me not in the
least because it was a way to make decent money. Hell, I've got an adult
kid who is a tenured professor of a hard science at MIT, something I
could *never* attain.

My wife didn't go through four years of undergrad school to get her
B.S., a year of grad school (accelerated placement) to get her M.S., and
five years of post-grad school to get her Ph.D, so she could simply
learn a trade. She did it to become more of an expert on helping people
with serious mental and emotional problems.

I certainly respect the talents and knowledge of others. I've worked
with lots of highly skilled union craftworkers over the past few
decades, and I am blown away by their abilities in their trades. I spent
some time on my own learning a lot more about welding than I picked up
at the summer job at a boiler factory in New Haven, enough so that after
a few years of messing around, I was able to pass a journeyman's week of
projects and exams and become a "full-patch" member of my union. It
wasn't easy for me, but it certainly was for some of the guys which whom
I attended apprenticeship classes.

That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that. I
know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge.

The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose
backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is
to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and
everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to
delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours.

Or ... do you do it on purpose?

Asked and answered. I have no problem, for example, recognizing your
accomplishments and even those of Gregg Fretwell and a couple of others
whose posts I read here.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

F.O.A.D.

On 12/4/13, 5:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that.
I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge.

The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose
backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is
to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and
everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to
delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours.

Or ... do you do it on purpose?

Of course he does. And why not? He catches nonsense from others here.
Who knows who started it?
But it's gotten old long ago.
How many times have you heard the same old stories about Krause's
getting a job for a KC newspaper, or Gregs's ET school?
Jesus H. Christ.

Gregg went to school to become an Extra Terrestrial?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Califbill

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

F.O.A.D.

On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I
never hired illegals as you have.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Califbill

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.

I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.

F.O.A.D.

On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.

I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.

Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work
ethic, when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax
payments and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

Califbill

"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.

I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.

Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic,
when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments
and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.

Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept.
And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised.

Mr. Luddite

On 12/4/2013 6:09 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:55 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 12/4/2013 4:32 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:

That's all fine. You are a fan of academia. Nothing wrong with that.
I know many people who share similar quests for general knowledge.

The issue at hand here is how you come across to others whose
backgrounds, experience and schools are as important to them as yours is
to you. Everyone deserves respect for what they do honestly and
everyone has a right to have a sense of accomplishment. You seem to
delight in finding fault with any path that was different from yours.

Or ... do you do it on purpose?

Of course he does. And why not? He catches nonsense from others here.
Who knows who started it?
But it's gotten old long ago.
How many times have you heard the same old stories about Krause's
getting a job for a KC newspaper, or Gregs's ET school?
Jesus H. Christ.

Gregg went to school to become an Extra Terrestrial?

That's funny right there.

Mr. Luddite

On 12/4/2013 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.

I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.

Bill, someday you should come out of your shell and tell us what you
*really* think. :-)

F.O.A.D.

On 12/4/13, 7:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:54 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 6:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 5:06 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 4:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 12/4/13, 11:48 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/4/2013 11:34 AM, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:52:22 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

I suppose the sort of rote memorization and spitback of instructional
materials is what the military wants and prefers, because independent,
creative thought is not really an attribute it wants in its soldiers,
sailors, et cetera.

Again you are just demonstrating your ignorance. If anything the
military training is more practical than what you get in a university
that stuffs your head with things you forget by the next semester and
never use again.

When the ship is sinking or under attack from a guy who wants to kill
you, creativity and the ability to use the information you got in
school is a matter of life or death for everyone on board.

It is not like some art history class you took to fill out your
transcript.

I wonder why being universally taught how to think abstractly or
learning well established "critical thinking" skills in universities is
any different than what military schools offer.

If you haven't attended one, I guess you wouldn't know.

I'm just spitting back here what I've observed over the years from such
well-trained thinkers as Herring, Robbins, and your junior high buddy in Florida.

Bull****. You were trying to promote yourself as superior. You have a
college education, where from studies, you actually use less than 5% of
what you studied. Whereas Engineering majors use about 20%. Much better
return on investment.

How would you possibly know what percentage of what a particular
individual studied was "used"? Or even when it was used or how often?

I think that fall off the roof you sustained caved in what little was
left of your brain after your infatuation romance with Zell Miller.

- -

Religion: together we can find the cure.

Not my guess as to the percentages. That is what the studies show. And I
bet most do the studies were done by liberal arts grads. And I see you
revert to slanderous remarks when you can not show facts.

Frankly, Bill, when you came out as a fan of Zell Miller years ago, I
thought you had gone over the deep end. You've been consistently over
that end politically ever since. Oh, and once again, you have no idea
what percentage of what I studied in college I "use," no matter what you
may have read somewhere.

I would still like more Zell Miller's out there! He care about the people
in his area, not the party! What we have now is two parties who seem to
both want to be dictators. Dictate how we live, what we eat, what we
study. Not what is best for the country. I really doubt you even use 5%
of what you learned in college. You do not seem to have a good, honest
work ethic.

Zell Miller is a lunatic.

I've worked continuously since I was in high school, Bilious, and I never
hired illegals as you have.

I hired illegals because the ****ing lazy unemployed did not want to work!
I called the State Employment Development department for workers to clean
out the in laws house. Not one ****ing lazy unemployed worker showed up.
Wife is in tears. I should have followed up with the state, and if the
employee did not send workers, demand the worker be fired! No frigging
benefits. No early retirement, fight the union if they defend not doing
her job. And if she did try to send out workers, and they did not show up.
Remove them forever from any welfare, or unemployment benefits. We are
putting up with too much crap from overpaid, underworked, worthless
employees. And they are employees of the citizens of the state! Now you,
as long as the state worker pays Union Dues, the employee can do no wrong,
or be fired! Now you, the union pimp, hire religious fanatics to build
your so called red barn, and other items. Amish. Why do you support a
cult? And since you boast of many things that can not be proven like fire
boat welcomes, etc. I really doubt you graduated very high in your class,
either in high school, or college. And as too accomplishments, **** all, a
book on brick laying, is not much to be proud of. Why are those ****ing
lazy unemployed people not down in front of Home Depot, etc. competing for
jobs? Because they can sit on their ass collecting $25,000 a year, for
sitting on your ass. The frigging lunatics are most of the people in
Congress and the Executive branch these days. They only care about what
the party, and the lobbyists want. We have a President, who claims to be a
Constitutional lawyer who seems to ignore most of the Constitution.
Waivers from the law? Where is that legal? Start another war in Syria? No
problem. That is lunacy in action! Force an overpriced healthcare
insurance system on the people? Just another tax. And that is what the
Supreme Court ruled. There is nothing affordable about the ACA! Sure,
some get insurance. Paid for by the rest of us. Wait until those former
Medicaid people find out the coverage is not as good as Medicaid provided
before. For more cost. That actually will be a Hoot when that comes out.
Have a nice day, liar.

Wow, Bilious...that's some rant. No wonder you are a fan of Zell Miller.

It's funny that you bitched about what you perceived to be my work ethic,
when you're the one who saved a buck on wages and employment tax payments
and injured workers' comp fund payments by hiring illegals.

As for hiring the Amish, why not? They work hard and around here they
have a reputation for being honest. Union contractors around here, for
the most part, have no interest in individual home remodeling/repair
business. The last time I needed a plumber, I called the union business
agent, who told me none of his signatory contractors would want the
little bit of work I had. Oh, the contractor who handled my generator
installation is a union contractor, who sent out union journeymen
electricians and apprentices. The gas work was handled by the propane
company, which sent out its unionized crew.

And, again, Bilious...great rant. A classic.

Glad you appreciate a good rant. You still are a liar, and socially inept.
And you still fail to respond other than to the questions raised.

You're bitching because I responded to the questions you raised?

Hehehe.

Are you related to PsychoSnotty?

I suspect the "word was out" on you as an employer, and that's why the
unemployed wouldn't work for you, and the illegals would, because they
were desperate, even though you were an off the books employer.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

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