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On 11/21/2013 8:42 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/21/13, 8:33 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/21/2013 7:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 23:20:36 +0100, Stig Arne Bye
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:55:08 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:42:58 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:23:27 -0500, Hank©
wrote:

Has anyone updated to IE11. Any comments or feedback?

I'm still using XP. The latest I can use if IE8.

Another good reason to run Firefox. IE8 will not open a lot of
things
but Firefox will. (Bill Gates trying to sell more product)

I've had Firefox run into problems opening Microsoft stuff. But I
like Firefox. Never had any
problems with it, although it is slow to open compared to IE8.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


I do also have one computer running XP SP3 with multiple browsers
installed, and by using a stop watch, I measured and compared the time
to open IE and Firefox after clicking the shortcut.

After doing this test 5 times for each browser, I got the following
results:
- IE (version 8.0) opened in 1.37 seconds in average.
- Firefox (version 25.0.1) opened in 3.16 seconds in average.

A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to
Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




The first time after a reboot both Firefox and IE are slow to open on
both of my computers (meaning four or five seconds) but after that they
open fairly fast ... like a second or two. As previously mentioned, I
don't use IE as a browser, but I just tried it for comparison. Doesn't
seem to be any faster than Firefox.

My computers are both laptops, one running Vista Home Premium (64 bit)
and the other Win 7 Home Edition or something like that ... also 64 bit.
When I bought them I was advised by a computer geek to make sure they
had at least 4GB of RAM memory and a faster CPU (forget what speed they
are). Both work fine, although Vista takes forever and a day to
initially boot up. Once it's fully booted however it seems just as fast
as Win 7. I also have an older XP laptop that has both IE and Firefox.
It is slow as molasses compared to the Vista or Win 7 laptops.


Sometimes there is more going on than just the startup of the operating
system.

On my desktop, running Mac OSX 10.9, the start up procedure includes not
only the OS, but a connection to my server and a connection to a half
dozen folders on that server and a couple of programs I run in the
backaground, so it takes a little longer for the boot-up. But since it
is a Mac, I rarely boot it up because it doesn't crash, and I don't have
the BSODs that plague Windows. In fact, the last time I rebooted was a
few weeks ago when I uploaded and installed the latest *free* version of
the OS. I just leave the desktop machine ON and after 15 minutes of no
keyboard activity or backup activity, the screen blanks out and the hard
drive spools off.

My laptop also runs OSX 10.9, but I don't usually connect it to the
server, so the boot up is very fast, fastest I have ever seen, actually,
on a consumer computer. The laptop has no hard drive in the traditional
sense...it has an SSD. I'll have to time the boot up but my guess is
that it takes no more than five seconds from the time I push the ON button.




It's funny you mention crashes. I can't remember the last time either
of my Windows based computers crashed. I also rarely shut them
completely off either. I put them in "sleep" mode when they are not
being used. The only time a reboot is required is after an update of
the OS and occasionally after a major update by AVG (anti-virus). I
have them set so I can pick and choose when I want the updates to be
installed.

XP was (is) a very stable program. The last time I recall routine
crashes was back before it came along.

I recently read that XP, Vista, Win7 and Win8 were all derived from
Windows NT. I remember it because NT was an "industrialized" version
of Windows or something. All the CAD PC stations in my company ran on
Windows NT.

Windows as an OS has finally matured to the point where it is predictable and usable for
mission critical, as business defines mission critical, applicaitons. Often times the problem
is with the hardware rather than the software. Throw it on on virtual infrastructure and the
hardware problems almost disappear.

On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes
to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window
in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd
dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the
computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a
lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and
like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a
separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to
be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its
subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what
happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft
Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx




McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on
the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and
perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor
into a federal government computer network.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes
to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window
in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd
dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the
computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a
lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and
like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just
fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a
separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and
smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to
be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your
computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its
subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what
happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft
Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx





McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on
the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and
perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor
into a federal government computer network.



John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than
sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company
in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel.

On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes
to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window
in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd
dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the
computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a
lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and
like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just
fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a
separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and
smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to
be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your
computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its
subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what
happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft
Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx





McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on
the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and
perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor
into a federal government computer network.

Which antivirus software is your I-Etch-a-sketch running. Inquiring
minds really don't G A S. ;-)

--
Americans deserve better.

On 11/22/13, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes
to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window
in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware
program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd
dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the
computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a
lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and
like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just
fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a
separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses,
etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and
smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to
be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of
your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the
computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your
computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its
subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what
happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft
Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx






McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on
the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and
perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor
into a federal government computer network.



John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than
sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company
in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel.




Did I say he was still involved with McAfee? No, I did not.

Well, at least Peter Norton stayed intellectually honest after he sold
out to Symantec, which proceeded to ruin his products.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.

On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?

He's trying to say it will run your life if you submit to it,
which,apparently, you have.

--
Americans deserve better.

On 11/22/13, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:16 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She
even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new
music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass.
Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.



iTunes is all-consuming? What kind of ignorant nonsense talk is that?


I don't think it's "all consuming" but I think it's annoying that you
*have* to have it installed and use it to transfer stuff from your PC to
an Apple device like the iPad. If iTunes is installed on your computer
it regularly knocks on your door looking to be updated or offering other
services I am not interested in. That's why my iPad now sits, unused.

That's another thing ... Seems like every couple of weeks when I *did*
use it, it wanted to update it's OS, a process that seemed to take forever.

Seems to me that Apple used to be a sorta cool, technology driven
company but has shifted to being totally marketing/sales driven in
recent years.


Apple updates its software from time to time. So does Microsoft. I can't
recall being "offered" other services from Apple other than by email.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/22/2013 9:35 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 9:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 9:15 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/22/13, 8:00 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H

wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes
to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window
in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware
program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd
dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the
computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a
lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and
like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just
fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a
separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses,
etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and
smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to
be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of
your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a
priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the
computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the
computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your
computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its
subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what
happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft
Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx







McAfee was the clown the Repubs brought in as their expert consultant on
the ACA software. I thought that was hilarious...a possible murderer and
perpetrator of virii and spyware who would love to insert a backdoor
into a federal government computer network.



John McAfee has nothing to do with the current McAfee, Inc. other than
sharing his name since he was the founder. He resigned from the company
in 1994 and McAfee, Inc. is currently a wholly owned subsidiary of Intel.




Did I say he was still involved with McAfee? No, I did not.

Well, at least Peter Norton stayed intellectually honest after he sold
out to Symantec, which proceeded to ruin his products.



No, you did not however we were discussing the McAfee computer program,
not the antics of John McAfee who has nothing to do with the program
under discussion. *You* attempted to make the connection in another of
your politically biased jabs.