On 11/22/13, 2:23 AM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/21/13, 8:37 PM, Califbill wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.


Apple is as reliable as any other computer. But most virus are written for
the 80% of the home PC market. Which is MS. Apple computer has lots of
problems in dealing with the present world. Can not open a lot of the
files you receive via email. So you have to either buy a lot of Apps. I
run Open Office on the iMac so I can look at and print .xls files. I do
have Pages, but when you are kicking out $7-40 for lots of apps on an
expensive machine anyway, it starts to hurt. No support for Flash, etc.


I have no problems opening files emailed to me. I have the Microsoft
Office Suite, which includes EXCEL...for .XLS files. I don't miss FLASH.


And how much extra did you pay on top of the high price for Apple to get it
to open the files? And Flash is ubiquitous to the web display.


The same amount extra, probably, any Windows user would have paid to
obtain the Microsoft Office suite. I haven't run across FLASH as an
integral and important part of a web site in a long time.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/21/13, 11:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.

That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to
do with your appliance.

My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was
telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got
interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple
hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has
Windows and Android machines now.



At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ...
it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or
something to it. Never used it much however.

But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my
computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had
deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from
time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if
you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that
kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a
computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related
files and the unwanted invitations stopped.

I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary
music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive
than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is
plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip
the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on
their sites.

As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is
easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and
virtually any player can use them.



There's no problem running free music content under iTunes, or even paid
music content from sources other than Apple and not in iTunes format.
You can also use iTunes to convert music in iTunes format to MP3 and
other formats.

iTunes is also used to manage and update iPhones, iPods, iPads, et cetera.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/21/13, 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:27:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.

That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to
do with your appliance.

My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was
telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got
interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple
hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has
Windows and Android machines now.


All the software I need is available for Apple computers...word
processing, spread sheets, presentation, web design, financial,
internet, photo processing, et cetera.

As long as you are happy with what they sell you and have no interest
in changing anything, you are the perfect Apple customer.

I think out of the box quite a lot and the PC is just a tool with a
lot of different things I can do with it. You said it before, I am a
hobbyist. I just bought a pair of binoculars with a camera in it. Good
thing I have a PC, Apple is not supported



If there were some Windoze software I wanted to run, I likely could run
it faster than you can on my Apple computers under VMWARE Fusion, which
also makes available the hardware on my Apple computers. Faster, because
I have newer computers than you have, with faster CPUs (both have multi
core I7 processors), more and faster RAM (8 GB minimum), and more recent
circuitry.

But I haven't come across any Windoze software I want to run. A pair of
binocs with a camera in it is not on my holiday "want" list.

You should buy my iMac when I get ready to sell it so you have a modern
piece of gear.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 01:46:02 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 11:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/21/2013 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.

That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to
do with your appliance.

My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was
telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got
interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple
hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has
Windows and Android machines now.



At some point in the past four years I install iTunes on my PC. Oh ...
it was when I got an iPad and wanted to transfer music files or
something to it. Never used it much however.

But I still occasionally get annoying popups when I first start my
computer from iTunes wanting to upgrade something. I thought I had
deleted it ... in fact I know I did, but the popups still show up from
time to time. It's like trying to get rid of Norton years ago. Even if
you uninstalled the main Norton program certain remnants remained that
kept trying to get you to reinstall it. I forget how it was done but a
computer geek friend of mine finally got rid of *all* the Norton related
files and the unwanted invitations stopped.

I never understood why I would ever want I tunes. It is a proprietary
music format with copy restrictions and music that is more expensive
than Amazon (assuming you actually pay anything at all). There is
plenty of free content on the web. If nothing else you can just clip
the audio off of YouTube but lots of artists have free content on
their sites.

As long as you have your ID3 tags set up right, handling the files is
easy. I usually just use create M3U files for my playlists and
virtually any player can use them.



That's not the issue. I don't buy music files from iTunes. iTunes is
required and used for more than just "getting" music files. You have to
have iTunes installed on a PC in order to transfer files from it to an iPad.



My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:47:41 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 11:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 21:27:19 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 8:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:18:42 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/21/13, 6:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:56:31 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Or get an Apple and . .


... not own a computer, just an appliance.


I enjoy having computers that are as reliably solid as my refrigerator.

That is fine if you are willing to let Apple decide what you want to
do with your appliance.

My Dutch neighbor and I had this discussion a few years ago and he was
telling me about how wonderful his Apple stuff was. Then he got
interested in drones and suddenly discovered how limiting the Apple
hardware and software was for anything Apple didn't invent. He has
Windows and Android machines now.


All the software I need is available for Apple computers...word
processing, spread sheets, presentation, web design, financial,
internet, photo processing, et cetera.

As long as you are happy with what they sell you and have no interest
in changing anything, you are the perfect Apple customer.

I think out of the box quite a lot and the PC is just a tool with a
lot of different things I can do with it. You said it before, I am a
hobbyist. I just bought a pair of binoculars with a camera in it. Good
thing I have a PC, Apple is not supported



If there were some Windoze software I wanted to run, I likely could run
it faster than you can on my Apple computers under VMWARE Fusion, which
also makes available the hardware on my Apple computers. Faster, because
I have newer computers than you have, with faster CPUs (both have multi
core I7 processors), more and faster RAM (8 GB minimum), and more recent
circuitry.

But I haven't come across any Windoze software I want to run. A pair of
binocs with a camera in it is not on my holiday "want" list.

You should buy my iMac when I get ready to sell it so you have a modern
piece of gear.

It's for sure that whatever you have is much better than whatever anyone else has.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx

On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:10:13 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/22/2013 7:33 AM, John H wrote:


My wife convinced me to get iTunes. Biggest boo-boo I've made. She even gave me iTunes gift cards.
But, iTunes gets to be all-consuming. Now it's gone. If I want new music on my Ipod (or whatever the
little thing's called) I just ask her to sync it with her Bluegrass. Mostly I just leave it alone.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




Yeah, I have a super duper iPad with all the bells and whistles and
maximum memory. I bought it back when I had the guitar shop and we'd
leave it out on a table so customers could check guitar prices, etc. by
having it display the shop's website. I'd also occasionally transfer
mp3 backing tracks from my PC to it (using iTunes) and plug the iPad
into the stage PA system for "jam" sessions. Now it sits unused in my
house, collecting dust.


My little Ipod stays in the trailer, hooked up to the stereo inside. It gets used a lot, but not
synced with more music a lot. Hell, it's got about 1200 Bluegrass songs on it now which is plenty
for any camping trip.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:00:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/22/2013 7:26 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 20:44:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 7:39 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:51:28 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 11/21/2013 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:19:19 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:12:55 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:13:17 -0500, John H
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:44:26 -0500, wrote:


A lot of IE is actually resident in Windoze.

That would help explain it. I've learned patience when it comes to Firefox.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


There must be something else going on. I get the browser window in a
second or so every time. I wonder if there is some spyware program
that is loading too. Look at your plug ins

Here they a

Adobe Acrobat
McAfee Site Advisor
Quick Time
Shockwave Flash
Silverlight
Windows Presentation Foundation

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!


The only addons I see is Logitech Device Detection and my virus
scanner.



I am no expert but based on previous experience, if I were John I'd dump
McAfee and substitute it with AVG.

I used to have McAfee as a anti-virus program but it slowed the computer
I had at the time down. Not as bad as Norton, but still consumed a lot
of resources. I've been using AVG now for over four years and like it
a lot. Doesn't seem to affect the computer speed and works just fine.


I don't use McAfee as an anti-virus program. The site advisor is a separate plug-in.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!



It's still a McAfee program running in the background checking the
websites you visit to see if there's a record of malware, viruses, etc.

I had it. I got rid of it and my computer ran much faster and smoother.
As Greg said, McAfee is a virus unto itself, much like Norton used to be.

It was on the XP laptop that I have but no longer use, BTW. Someone
recommended AVG and I've used it ever since. The only time it has an
affect on computer speed is when you have initiated a full scan of your
computer. What's nice about it however is that you can set a priority
from "user sensitive" which allows you to continue to use the computer
for other things while it scans with little to no affect on computer
speed to "Fast" which is good if you are not going to use the computer
for a while.

I used the free version for two years and liked it so much that I
upgraded to the full version. Frankly, I think the free version was
sufficient for protection. AVG will also block or alert you to a
suspicious website also, like McAfee. It just doesn't bog your computer
down doing so.



I'll give it a shot, thanks. Cox sent free McAfee to all its subscribers. I've undone the McAfee
virus scan, but left the site advisor. Will shut it down and see what happens.

An IT friend convinced me to can McAfee and go with the Microsoft Security Essentials, which is what
I've done.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!




John, again, I am far from being a computer expert but I know it is
generally *not* recommended to have two virus protection programs
running on your computer at the same time. You may have turned off the
routine McAfee virus scan of the hard drive but if you left "site
adviser" running it means that McAfee is still installed and running.
It could possibly conflict with the Microsoft Security Essentials. You
might want to read this:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/securitytipstalk/archive/2011/06/02/does-microsoft-security-essentials-work-with-other-antivirus-software.aspx



McAfee Site Advisor is off, but it isn't a virus scanner anyway. In fact, it stays in the browser
even when the McAfee Suite is uninstalled. It's active only on the browser as a plug-in. It simply
provides a warning when clicking, usually accidentally, on a site it doesn't like. It just pops up a
"Are you sure you want to go there" screen.

It's disabled now.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!