| Home |
| Search |
| Today's Posts |
|
|
|
#1
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
Speaking of guns and horses
|
|
#2
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
|
|
#4
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:11:32 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 11/13/2013 12:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:58:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There are several of those cases working their way through the court as we speak. Florida? $25 fine, right? 2d degree misdemeanor $500 and 60 days in jail for the first offense, if there are no other charges present. If you knowingly provided a weapon to a minor or anyone else who was prohibited from having one you can get up into felony territory. Here's the law in MA: Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user. (b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment.. That's just for them finding out you didn't secure them as required. The last sentence in (a) gives you an easy out. Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. |
|
#5
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
In article ,
says... On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:11:32 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 11/13/2013 12:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:58:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There are several of those cases working their way through the court as we speak. Florida? $25 fine, right? 2d degree misdemeanor $500 and 60 days in jail for the first offense, if there are no other charges present. If you knowingly provided a weapon to a minor or anyone else who was prohibited from having one you can get up into felony territory. Here's the law in MA: Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user. (b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment. That's just for them finding out you didn't secure them as required. The last sentence in (a) gives you an easy out. Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. "Under control" is vague at best. A decent lawyer would use that to his advantage. |
|
#6
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
On 11/13/2013 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:11:32 PM UTC-5, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 11/13/2013 12:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:58:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There are several of those cases working their way through the court as we speak. Florida? $25 fine, right? 2d degree misdemeanor $500 and 60 days in jail for the first offense, if there are no other charges present. If you knowingly provided a weapon to a minor or anyone else who was prohibited from having one you can get up into felony territory. Here's the law in MA: Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user. (b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment. That's just for them finding out you didn't secure them as required. The last sentence in (a) gives you an easy out. Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. I don't interpret it that way. Having it on or in a nightstand beside your bed qualifies as "under direct control" I think. Same as having one in the center compartment of your truck or car. It doesn't have to physically be "on" you in order to be "under direct control". In reality, in this state I suspect there would be an investigation and even preliminary charges brought against you, even if you shot an intruder in the middle of the night. Where the guns are kept would become a minor point. MA has a castle law that can be used in your defense in the event of a shooting, but I suspect you would have to convince everyone that it was self defense. It's a squishy law in a squishy state when it comes to guns. Our governor, Deval Patrick (we call him "Minnie Me") is intent on tightening gun control laws further to the point where very few would qualify for a new permit or renewals of existing permits. |
|
#7
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:13:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/13/2013 3:33 PM, wrote: Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. I don't interpret it that way. Having it on or in a nightstand beside your bed qualifies as "under direct control" I think. Same as having one in the center compartment of your truck or car. It doesn't have to physically be "on" you in order to be "under direct control". I suppose I tend to take things pretty literally. "Carried" is pretty clear. "Under my control" is a bit muddy, since under the bed doesn't seem like it's under my direct control. I do get your point, especially regarding that I'd have to lock things up every time I left the house. In reality, in this state I suspect there would be an investigation and even preliminary charges brought against you, even if you shot an intruder in the middle of the night. Where the guns are kept would become a minor point. MA has a castle law that can be used in your defense in the event of a shooting, but I suspect you would have to convince everyone that it was self defense. It's a squishy law in a squishy state when it comes to guns. Our governor, Deval Patrick (we call him "Minnie Me") is intent on tightening gun control laws further to the point where very few would qualify for a new permit or renewals of existing permits. Fortunately, we are not to the point your state is in regard to gun restrictions. I can say that it has been years since anyone rode around with a gun rack in the rear window of their truck. Funny, it seems there was far less violent crime back in those days. |
|
#8
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
On 11/13/2013 4:43 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:13:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/13/2013 3:33 PM, wrote: Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. I don't interpret it that way. Having it on or in a nightstand beside your bed qualifies as "under direct control" I think. Same as having one in the center compartment of your truck or car. It doesn't have to physically be "on" you in order to be "under direct control". I suppose I tend to take things pretty literally. "Carried" is pretty clear. "Under my control" is a bit muddy, since under the bed doesn't seem like it's under my direct control. I do get your point, especially regarding that I'd have to lock things up every time I left the house. In reality, in this state I suspect there would be an investigation and even preliminary charges brought against you, even if you shot an intruder in the middle of the night. Where the guns are kept would become a minor point. MA has a castle law that can be used in your defense in the event of a shooting, but I suspect you would have to convince everyone that it was self defense. It's a squishy law in a squishy state when it comes to guns. Our governor, Deval Patrick (we call him "Minnie Me") is intent on tightening gun control laws further to the point where very few would qualify for a new permit or renewals of existing permits. Fortunately, we are not to the point your state is in regard to gun restrictions. I can say that it has been years since anyone rode around with a gun rack in the rear window of their truck. Funny, it seems there was far less violent crime back in those days. That could never happen around here. If I had a gun rack in my truck with a rifle in it, I'd be surrounded by 35 cops with lights flashing in a matter of minutes. What's weird is I can carry a loaded handgun on me (concealed) or have one loaded in my center console (out of direct view) but if I want to transport a shotgun or .22 rifle to the range legally, it must be unloaded and within a solid, locked case or a soft case with a trigger or breech lock installed. |
|
#9
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
wrote:
On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 4:13:39 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 11/13/2013 3:33 PM, wrote: Except that if you want to have quick access to one at night while you sleep, it sounds like you must sleep with a holster. Having it under the bed (12 gauge) or in a night stand drawer (9mm) doesn't sound like it qualifies for that exemption. It has to either be locked up, or in your hands/on your belt. I don't interpret it that way. Having it on or in a nightstand beside your bed qualifies as "under direct control" I think. Same as having one in the center compartment of your truck or car. It doesn't have to physically be "on" you in order to be "under direct control". I suppose I tend to take things pretty literally. "Carried" is pretty clear. "Under my control" is a bit muddy, since under the bed doesn't seem like it's under my direct control. I do get your point, especially regarding that I'd have to lock things up every time I left the house. In reality, in this state I suspect there would be an investigation and even preliminary charges brought against you, even if you shot an intruder in the middle of the night. Where the guns are kept would become a minor point. MA has a castle law that can be used in your defense in the event of a shooting, but I suspect you would have to convince everyone that it was self defense. It's a squishy law in a squishy state when it comes to guns. Our governor, Deval Patrick (we call him "Minnie Me") is intent on tightening gun control laws further to the point where very few would qualify for a new permit or renewals of existing permits. Fortunately, we are not to the point your state is in regard to gun restrictions. I can say that it has been years since anyone rode around with a gun rack in the rear window of their truck. Funny, it seems there was far less violent crime back in those days. There was less violent crime, and these days, someone would break in to the truck and steal the weapons. I think that we have had too many years of lack of teaching children responsibility. |
|
#10
posted to rec.boats
|
|||
|
|||
|
Speaking of guns and horses
On 11/13/2013 2:11 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 11/13/2013 12:13 PM, wrote: On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:58:49 -0500, "F.O.A.D." wrote: There are several of those cases working their way through the court as we speak. Florida? $25 fine, right? 2d degree misdemeanor $500 and 60 days in jail for the first offense, if there are no other charges present. If you knowingly provided a weapon to a minor or anyone else who was prohibited from having one you can get up into felony territory. Here's the law in MA: Section 131L. (a) It shall be unlawful to store or keep any firearm, rifle or shotgun including, but not limited to, large capacity weapons, or machine gun in any place unless such weapon is secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or other lawfully authorized user. For purposes of this section, such weapon shall not be deemed stored or kept if carried by or under the control of the owner or other lawfully authorized user. (b) A violation of this section shall be punished, in the case of a firearm, rifle or shotgun that is not a large capacity weapon, by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $5,000 or by imprisonment for not more than one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment, and in the case of a large capacity weapon or machine gun, by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000 or by imprisonment for not less than one year nor more than ten years, or by both such fine and imprisonment. That's just for them finding out you didn't secure them as required. The last sentence in (a) gives you an easy out. It means to make damn well sure you lock 'em up before leaving the house. |
| Reply |
|
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Forum | |||
| Speaking of guns | General | |||
| Lock up those horses... | General | |||
| Speaking of guns .. | General | |||
| White Horses | Touring | |||
| White Horses | UK Paddle | |||
Hybrid Mode
