That Florida woman's canceled Blue Cross policy? It's junk insurance.
She can get a real plan for only $165 a month

Published: October 29, 2013 06:33 PM


Did you recently get a notice saying that your insurance company is
canceling your policy because it doesn't meet the new health law's
higher standards? Thousands of people are, and many are angry about it.
But before you rush to judgment, it might not be as bad as it seems.

Consider the case of Diane Barrette, a 56-year-old woman from Winter
Haven, Fla. Her story was featured in this CBS News report and endlessly
echoed on the Internet. She was upset because Blue Cross Blue Shield of
Florida was canceling her $54-a-month “GoBlue plan 91” and offering to
replace it with a $591-a-month “Blue Options Essential plan.”

Sounds terrible—except that Barrette’s expiring policy is a textbook
example of a junk plan that isn’t real health insurance at all. If she
had ever tried to use it for anything more than an occasional doctor
visit or inexpensive prescription, she would have ended up with tens or
hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical debt.

Here are some of the gory details. (You can see the rest for yourself on
this complete plan summary from the insurance company.)

The plan pays only the first $50 of doctor visits, leaving Ms.
Barrette to pay the rest. Specialist visits can cost several hundred
dollars.

Only the first $15 of a prescription is covered. Some prescriptions
can cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars a month

The plan only pays for hospitalization for "complications of
pregnancy," which are unlikely given Ms. Barrette's age and in any event
only the first $50 is covered.

It pays $50 for a mammogram that can cost several hundred dollars,
and only pays $50 apiece for advanced imaging tests such as MRIs and CT
scans and then only when used for osteoporosis screening.

"She's paying $650 a year to be uninsured," Karen Pollitz, an insurance
expert at the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation, said. "I have to
assume that she never really had to make much of a claim under this
policy. She would have lost the house she's sitting in if something
serious had happened. I don't know if she knows that."

In fact, had Blue Cross Blue Shield allowed her to keep the plan, she
would have been fined for going uninsured in 2014. Limited plans such as
these are considered "excepted benefits" that don't fulfill the new
obligation to have health coverage.

Okay, but can't we be outraged that Ms. Barrette will have to fork over
$591 a month for a replacement plan? Actually, no, because she has other
and better options than the costly plan Blue Cross Blue Shield wants to
put her in. She get real insurance that covers all essential health
benefits for well under $200 a month.

She has said her income is about $30,000 a year. It would be nice to
look up her choices on HealthCare.gov, which is running the marketplace
in Florida. But you can't do that without actually applying for coverage.

So, using tools available through eHealthinsurance.com (I'll walk you
through this useful resource tomorrow), I determined that she qualifies
for a premium subsidy of $320 a month. She can use that to purchase a
Humana Direct Silver 4600/6300 plan for $165 a month.

Like all plans sold in the state Health Insurance Marketplaces, it
covers essential health benefits such as doctor visits, inpatient and
outpatient treatments, diagnostic and screening tests, maternity care,
mental health care, prescription drugs, home health care, and
rehabilitation services.

It's not the most generous plan in the world. The deductible is $4,600
and the only things the plan pays for outside the deductible are
preventive services, the first $500 of diagnostic lab tests and x-rays
in the year, and "diagnostic" office visits, meaning going to the doctor
because you're feeling awful and need to know what's wrong. Visits for
treatment are subject to the deductible. There's a separate $1,500
deductible for prescription drugs, after which there's a copay of $10
for generics and $50 for brand-name drugs. Once you've run up $6,300 in
out-of-pocket expenses, the plan picks up 100 percent of your costs for
the rest of the year.

To put these two plans in perspective, let's imagine that Ms. Barrette's
luck runs out and she receives a diagnosis of breast cancer that will
cost $120,000 to treat.

Under her current junk plan, she would probably receive no more than a
few hundred dollars of benefits for doctor visits and drugs. It
wouldn't cover her surgery, her chemotherapy, her many expensive
medications, or the repeated diagnostic tests she'd likely require. She
would end up with probably $119,000 of unpaid medical bills. With the
Humana plan, those bills top out at $6,300 a year, no matter what.

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On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Ain't gonna work.




Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of
the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the
presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA
will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing
crazies are voted out of congress.

This gets back to what I said earlier.

"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any
party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around
next time.
You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they
don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.
Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point
that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what
some actor tells them to do..


We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in
which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us
towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of
opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we
have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on
pikes.

--
Religion: together we can find the cure.

On 11/1/2013 8:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Ain't gonna work.




Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of
the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the
presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA
will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing
crazies are voted out of congress.

This gets back to what I said earlier.

"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any
party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around
next time.
You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they
don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.
Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point
that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what
some actor tells them to do..


We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in
which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us
towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of
opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we
have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on
pikes.



Funny stuff from you Harry. I distinctly recall you calling out as BS
some people's claims that we were moving towards socialism during the
last two elections. Now you admit we are.

On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Ain't gonna work.









Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of

the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the

presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA

will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing

crazies are voted out of congress.



This gets back to what I said earlier.



"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any

party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around

next time.

You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they

don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.

Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point

that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what

some actor tells them to do..


Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools.
I use neither.
Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests.

On 11/1/2013 8:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/1/2013 8:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Ain't gonna work.




Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of
the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the
presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA
will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing
crazies are voted out of congress.

This gets back to what I said earlier.

"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any
party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around
next time.
You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they
don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.
Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point
that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what
some actor tells them to do..


We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in
which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us
towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of
opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we
have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on
pikes.



Funny stuff from you Harry. I distinctly recall you calling out as BS
some people's claims that we were moving towards socialism during the
last two elections. Now you admit we are.



The rest of us already knew as did he. Unfortunately, like our President
has a bit of a problem with the truth...

True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Ain't gonna work.









Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of

the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the

presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA

will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing

crazies are voted out of congress.



This gets back to what I said earlier.



"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any

party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around

next time.

You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they

don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.

Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point

that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what

some actor tells them to do..


Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and
one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools.
I use neither.
Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire
community, not just our own interests.

We are nowhere near socialism.

On 11/1/2013 9:46 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:36:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Ain't gonna work.




Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of
the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the
presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA
will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing
crazies are voted out of congress.

This gets back to what I said earlier.

"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any
party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around
next time.
You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they
don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.
Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point
that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what
some actor tells them to do..


We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in
which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us
towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of
opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we
have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on
pikes.

If the middle class was willing to pay Don's taxes, the problems would
be solved ... but they aren't
The politician who would propose German or Scandinavian tax rates
would be run out of town on a rail.


But one that's putting us there and lying about it, is considered a King!??

On 11/1/2013 8:36 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 11/1/13, 7:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Ain't gonna work.




Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of
the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the
presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA
will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing
crazies are voted out of congress.

This gets back to what I said earlier.

"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any
party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around
next time.
You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they
don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.
Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point
that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what
some actor tells them to do..


We're headed for a major societal restructuring in this country, one in
which the lower income and disenfranchised middle income groups move us
towards European socialism because, simply, this no longer is a land of
opportunity for most of those who want to climb up the ladder. Either we
have that restructuring peaceably or rich guys will find their heads on
pikes.

You are so sick.

On 11/1/2013 8:52 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Ain't gonna work.









Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of

the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the

presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA

will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing

crazies are voted out of congress.



This gets back to what I said earlier.



"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any

party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around

next time.

You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they

don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.

Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point

that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what

some actor tells them to do..


Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools.
I use neither.
Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire community, not just our own interests.

You have no choice if you choose to remain in Canuckistan.

On 11/1/2013 9:10 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 November 2013 20:33:13 UTC-3, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 18:31:33 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:



Ain't gonna work.









Sure it will. Either in 2014 or 2016, the Repubs will lose control of

the house, perhaps lose seats in the senate and of course, not win the

presidency. As soon as the government is in sane hands again, the ACA

will evolve. Nothing is going to be done until the extremist right wing

crazies are voted out of congress.



This gets back to what I said earlier.



"Fixing" this plan will require more revenue or more borrowing and any

party that makes that kind of tax increases is not going to be around

next time.

You will be left with young people paying a lot for insurance they

don't want or paying much higher taxes for the rest of their life.

Neither will be popular. The question is when that reaches the point

that they actually start voting their own best interests and not what

some actor tells them to do..


Looking at my property tax bill, I notice that between one quarter and
one third goes to support public transit and enriched programs in our schools.
I use neither.
Sometimes we just have to bite the bullet for the good of the entire
community, not just our own interests.

We are nowhere near socialism.

Are you bragging or complaining?