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On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Let?s see?

$350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that
isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their
minds.
But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t
work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word.

HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is
nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you
consider
most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be
compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write
the site as a senior project in a couple semesters....

snerk



If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior
high school designed and programmed them.

How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high
school designer/programmer?

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These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come
outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring.


Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we
did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages
"talk" to each other...

Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a
wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand
that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many
different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went
to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local
college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with
different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it
was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken
a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a
million or two.... probably less...

You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The
fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance...

That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done
all of the time, all over the world!

Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software.
Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the
program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you
now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and
get any throughput.

Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to
run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI
it's of disk space.
takes the computing power.

Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the
original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of
memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games.
Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD.

Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program.

BS. How much more does the newest iMac do than a 1987 Mackintosh? The
software is bloated because of the tools and the equipment. Nobody in the
PC world worries about memory or storage. I did years of embedded system
design and programming. We were limited to amount of memory and a
requirement for speed. We had problems with new graduates coming in and
not using the most efficient commands. In the 1960's / 1970's bank online
mainframe systems had anywhere from 40k to at the max 8 megabyte of memory.
That included IBM 303x systems. Sure the newer stuff is faster, and if
you look at games, those programmers are some of the better ones. They
have to program for speed. No one will buy a jerky screen update.

If it weren't for the demands of th GUI, you'd not have "jerky screen
updates". Also, other programs are getting more and more demanding. 3D
BIM modeling is a perfect example.

How many home PCs are running 3D BIM. Modeling?
Quite a few.

How many business are
running a Windows machine for CAD design?

Millions upon millions.

Not major CAD.

Horse****!

Bull**** yourself. They are running PCs but not windows. Mostly UNIX
based systems.

You stupid fool!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...design_editors

Minor cad programs

You stupid fool!!!!!! The list is all major cad programs in the
world!!!!! What a dolt!!!!

How many real engineers will trust their work to a MS Windows machine?


INCO LTD dba TurboProducts (fortune 500 company) used Cadkey for their
design work. They made blades for General Electric land based turbine
engines. Cadkey and the whole network we set up there ran Windoze
TurboCad, Rhino, Autocad, all ran on Windoze, over a decade ago. I have
noticed Bill, you are somewhat like the guys I ran into getting into cars
years ago. Gifted carburetor mechanics who never really picked up on the
whole digital fuel injection thing.. Or programmers back in the 80's who
had worked on every thing from card systems to C++ but hand them a
Windows system and they were as useful as useless as those carb mechanics
with a Oscilloscope and a port fuel injection run ability problem....

Just sayin, I think you may have pidgeon holed yourself with the complex
systems you have worked on but I suspect they are somewhat proprietary
and unique, as you seem to not be up to speed on what all else is out there..

Just a personal opinion/observation, not trying to start anything, I
understand you do what you do much better than I ever could. I have
however been watching this conversation and trying to see how to enter
without seeming to back the other asshole....

I was also a windows programmer. We used Sun systems in the old days as
they out performed the slug called Windows. Now PC are much faster but
better operating systems than Windows.

This isn't the old days. Almost all CAD, CAM, CAE, finite analysis, 3D
modeling, EDA, MDA, CNC etc systems run under windows.

On 10/31/2013 4:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

This isn't the old days. Almost all CAD, CAM, CAE, finite analysis, 3D
modeling, EDA, MDA, CNC etc systems run under windows.

Not in the electronics industry. All our EDA tools (Cadence, Synopsys,
Ansys, Mentor, etc.) run under Linux. For a team of about 8 people we
have 3 HP servers, each with 32 cpu cores and 78GB of ram. Our desk
PC's/laptops are just terminals running VNC clients and general office
stuff. Only the mechanical CAD, PCB layout, and the 3d printer run
under windows.

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On 10/31/2013 4:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

This isn't the old days. Almost all CAD, CAM, CAE, finite analysis, 3D
modeling, EDA, MDA, CNC etc systems run under windows.

Not in the electronics industry. All our EDA tools (Cadence, Synopsys,
Ansys, Mentor, etc.) run under Linux. For a team of about 8 people we
have 3 HP servers, each with 32 cpu cores and 78GB of ram. Our desk
PC's/laptops are just terminals running VNC clients and general office
stuff. Only the mechanical CAD, PCB layout, and the 3d printer run
under windows.

Cadence for one will run perfectly fine under windows.