On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

On 10/28/2013 7:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

We is "IDesigns" and the other programmers we worked with at the time...
Me personally? Not that it is really important to the conversation but I
did the part that the HHS can't seem to get right with this one Call
it, logistics... I was the liaison between the different companies, us,
and the other programmers, I was instrumental in testing and developing
the initial architecture or general mapping of the site which many times
meant changing structure and function right there in the middle of
development... Why?

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, says...

Charlemagne wrote:
On 10/28/2013 1:24 PM, Califbill wrote:
Charlemagne wrote:
On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Hank© wrote:
On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Let?s see?

$350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that
isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds.
But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t
work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word.

HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is
nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider
most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be
compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write
the site as a senior project in a couple semesters....

snerk



If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior
high school designed and programmed them.

How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high
school designer/programmer?

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These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come
outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring.


Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we
did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages
"talk" to each other...

Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a
wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand that
most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many different
companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went to the
paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local college for
**** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with different
operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it was a case
of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken a team and
written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a million or
two.... probably less...

You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The
fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance...

Just lease the software from a company that has already written and
debugged the software. Writing the software could maybe done for a
million, but the testing and verification would take a lot more money and
time. Was a problem with UNIX for years. Lots of the drivers were written
as college papers. They did not handle exceptions well, if at all. Those
are harder to test.


Yes, verification is really the hardest part we ever faced taking
input... Either way, you have 50 companies in on this that don't
necessarily talk to each other...

Did you even have a written Design and Verification plan? Part of my
career was bioengineers devices, and we damn sure had written plans. We
had to submit them as part of the approval process to the FDA. Should be a
written plan for ACA website also.

What Jawbone Scotty doesn't realize is that this is WAY over his head.
The agency in charge has a budget bigger than the Pentagon! Yet Scotty
thinks he can get their very complex site up and running using one of
those cut and paste make your own website sites.

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says...

On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

iDesigns, you know, the one where the website is a cut and paste job
from one of those make-your-own website sites.

In article , says...

On 10/28/2013 7:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

We is "IDesigns" and the other programmers we worked with at the time...
Me personally? Not that it is really important to the conversation but I
did the part that the HHS can't seem to get right with this one Call
it, logistics... I was the liaison between the different companies, us,
and the other programmers, I was instrumental in testing and developing
the initial architecture or general mapping of the site which many times
meant changing structure and function right there in the middle of
development... Why?

Hooboy!

On 10/29/13, 7:31 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

iDesigns, you know, the one where the website is a cut and paste job
from one of those make-your-own website sites.


Much of the copy and photos were swiped from other sites, too. The site
seems to be nothing more than a reseller of access.

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iBoaterer wrote:
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, says...

iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/28/2013 12:35 PM, Califbill wrote:
Hank© wrote:
On 10/28/2013 7:50 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 10/28/13, 7:34 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/27/2013 3:13 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
Let?s see?

$350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that
isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds.
But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t
work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word.

HUGE difference. Developing and prototyping a Military Fighter is
nothing like writing a simple database... especially when you consider
most if not all of the code is out there already, just needs to be
compiled... A very dedicated high school student could probably write
the site as a senior project in a couple semesters....

snerk



If you look at PsychoSnotty's "iDesign" pages, you'll think a junior
high school designed and programmed them.

How do we know that Harry Krause could do any better than a junior high
school designer/programmer?

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These days, probably not as well. Kids these days never seem to come
outdoors and play, so they must be doing a lot of compute ring.


Our public website is a billboard... Most of the hard core "design" we
did in the past revolved around making different systems and languages
"talk" to each other...

Here's the deal.. I will stipulate that "one week and ten grand" was a
wild exaggeration for effect, but I made my point. If you understand
that most of the problem with the ACA website was that too many
different companies "shared the wealth".. (Probably half the money went
to the paperwork you need to fill out to write a website for a local
college for **** sake....) The problem was, too many companies, with
different operating proceedures and structures for building a site, it
was a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth". If one company had taken
a team and written the thing, I still submit it could be done for a
million or two.... probably less...

You just have to get by the source here, and look at the facts... The
fact is, the project was so splintered, it never stood a chance...

That is so stupid it's beyond belief!! Just what you describe is done
all of the time, all over the world!

Not stupid beyond belief. Is why we have a lot of bloated bad software.
Write a " hello, world " program for windows and just see how big the
program is. All the class defining, windows subroutine calling. Why you
now require a gigahertz speed, terabyte drive to run a home computer and
get any throughput.

Oh horse****! Windows is bloated because most people didn't know how to
run a computer until they could click on a picture with a mouse. GUI it's of disk space.
takes the computing power.

Bull****. PARC developed the GUI and they ran on XTs. Go back to the
original MAC and Windows GUIs and tell me how they did it without 2 gigs of
memory and 500 g. The ultimate GUI is most of the shooter up games.
Nowhere near the relative memory required to run WORD.

Sure it ran on XT's THEN, when it was a small, mostly useless program.

In article ,
says...

In article , says...

Let?s see?

$350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that
isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds.
But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t
work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word.

The F-35 is needed to ensure that you have a country that enables the government to steal
money from its citizens to pay for other citizens health care.

You probably should move then.

On 10/29/13, 7:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/28/2013 7:53 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2013 7:30 PM, Charlemagne wrote:



We had to do a lot of different paperwork when we were contracted to the
State College... Lot's of federal hoops to jump through. Every contract
was different. The huge one we did for Prudential, our "design and
verification plan" was a working module. We had to write it to sell it,
it was a huge risk for sure....


Who is "we"? You have acknowledged that you are not a programmer.

What role did you play in the execution of these contracts?

We is "IDesigns" and the other programmers we worked with at the time...
Me personally? Not that it is really important to the conversation but I
did the part that the HHS can't seem to get right with this one Call
it, logistics... I was the liaison between the different companies, us,
and the other programmers, I was instrumental in testing and developing
the initial architecture or general mapping of the site which many times
meant changing structure and function right there in the middle of
development... Why?

Hooboy!


Translation: PsychoSnotty took the lunch order, made the sandwiches, and
delivered them. Logistics.

On 10/29/13, 7:35 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...

In article , says...

Let?s see?

$350 million or so spent on health insurance exchange spftware that
isn't working properly yet and the Republicans are losing their minds.
But?$400 Billion spent on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that doesn?t
work and no one seems to need, and the Republicans don?t say a word.

The F-35 is needed to ensure that you have a country that enables the government to steal
money from its citizens to pay for other citizens health care.

You probably should move then.


The F-35 is needed to assure defense contractors have a steady stream of
cost overruns they can bill and military officers have billets. The
money would better be spent on building roads, bridges, electrical
grids, sewage systems in this country.