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NY state senator 'torture' tweet spurs controversy
PAWLING, N.Y. (AP) — A New York state senator has spurred controversy online by asking in a tweet if the Boston Marathon bombing suspect arrested Friday should be tortured. Second-term Republican Sen. Greg Ball of the Hudson Valley tweeted just after authorities in Boston captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) Friday evening. Ball's tweet calls the suspect "scum bag No. 2" and asks who wouldn't use torture on him to save more lives. Many tweets responding to Ball were critical of his remarks. Ball issued a statement Saturday defending his position on torture without mentioning his tweet. He says he is not shy in saying torture is justified in the war against terror if it can save lives. - - - - - And since the use of torture has been debunked...right on. |
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:09:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
Getting complete information probably is worth more than another execution. === Since the older (dead) brother was no doubt the ring leader, it is entirely possible that the complete information will never be known. |
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"Wayne B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:09:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Getting complete information probably is worth more than another execution. === Since the older (dead) brother was no doubt the ring leader, it is entirely possible that the complete information will never be known. ------------------------------------------------------ As more details of the events of last week become known, the more it becomes obvious that mistakes where made. Law enforcement agencies including the FBI deserve a lot of credit and thanks for the work they did however they didn't "find" the suspects. Private citizens did. Public and business sources provided the pictures and videos that identified who placed the bombs at the marathon. A private citizen was hi-jacked in his car and provided the information required to locate and chase down the stolen vehicle. The brothers told him "they were the bombers". Furthermore, it has now become public knowledge that the FBI was aware of the older brother's possible link connection to radical influences by terrorist groups, as recently as 2011. Before that became known publically, they denied any knowledge of him. The older brother got out of the car in Watertown and started walking towards the growing law enforcement presence. Fearing a potential suicide bomber attack, law enforcement opened fire and filled him full of holes. The doctors who worked on him have reported that he had so many injuries that they can't determine what exactly caused his death. Then, after almost 24 hours of a shutdown of a major area in the state and with an army of law enforcement agencies conducting a search, they couldn't find the younger brother. Within 15 minutes of lifting the ban of leaving your house, a private citizen found him in his boat and called 911. The media is full of amazing pictures of FLIR images showing the suspect cowering in the boat in the guy's yard. It's great technology and has many good uses, but it didn't *FIND* the suspect. The private citizen boat owner did. Here's where I started to have some questions about how this was handled. It was imperative that he be captured alive, if possible. So what did law enforcement do? Opened fire on the boat (that had a full tank of gas) with fully automatic weapons. At least two weapons can be heard on the videos released by the media, with large capacity magazines being emptied into the boat. This is how you capture someone alive? |
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On 4/21/13 9:59 AM, Eisboch wrote:
The older brother got out of the car in Watertown and started walking towards the growing law enforcement presence. Fearing a potential suicide bomber attack, law enforcement opened fire and filled him full of holes. The doctors who worked on him have reported that he had so many injuries that they can't determine what exactly caused his death. .... Here's where I started to have some questions about how this was handled. It was imperative that he be captured alive, if possible. So what did law enforcement do? Opened fire on the boat (that had a full tank of gas) with fully automatic weapons. At least two weapons can be heard on the videos released by the media, with large capacity magazines being emptied into the boat. This is how you capture someone alive? I certainly appreciate why the cops were fearful of a guy who might have had a bomb strapped to his chest, but I've never understood why it is necessary in so many instances to respond to a threat, real or perceived, with a hailstorm of bullets, especially when only one or two guys are involved. Perhaps my theory is correct, that cops are really bad shots, and they don't have enough mandatory practice with their firearms. |
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"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... On 4/21/13 9:59 AM, Eisboch wrote: The older brother got out of the car in Watertown and started walking towards the growing law enforcement presence. Fearing a potential suicide bomber attack, law enforcement opened fire and filled him full of holes. The doctors who worked on him have reported that he had so many injuries that they can't determine what exactly caused his death. .... Here's where I started to have some questions about how this was handled. It was imperative that he be captured alive, if possible. So what did law enforcement do? Opened fire on the boat (that had a full tank of gas) with fully automatic weapons. At least two weapons can be heard on the videos released by the media, with large capacity magazines being emptied into the boat. This is how you capture someone alive? I certainly appreciate why the cops were fearful of a guy who might have had a bomb strapped to his chest, but I've never understood why it is necessary in so many instances to respond to a threat, real or perceived, with a hailstorm of bullets, especially when only one or two guys are involved. Perhaps my theory is correct, that cops are really bad shots, and they don't have enough mandatory practice with their firearms. --------------------------------------- I don't know about that because I have only limited experience witnessing law enforcement people shooting at the range. The four that I know ... a local cop, two state cops and another who works for homeland defense in some capacity are all phenomenal marksmen. Intuitively I suspect the average Boston cop who pounds a daily beat on foot probably isn't a great shot but I suspect many of the SWAT team and special operations units that were involved in hunting down the marathon bombers are excellent marksmen. Also, I doubt very much the actions taken were a free-for-all. Orders to open fire must have been coordinated with those in charge. That's why I don't get the action of opening fire on the guy in the boat, sight unseen, if the goal was to capture him alive. They couldn't have known if he was armed, had a bomb, or was even still breathing. There are no reports of the suspect opening fire first. It was *after* that exchange ... well, it really wasn't an "exchange" .... that a negotiator got involved and had the suspect stand up and lift his shirt to demonstrate he was unarmed and "unbombed". |
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:59:00 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wayne B" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 09:09:07 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: Getting complete information probably is worth more than another execution. === Since the older (dead) brother was no doubt the ring leader, it is entirely possible that the complete information will never be known. ------------------------------------------------------ As more details of the events of last week become known, the more it becomes obvious that mistakes where made. Law enforcement agencies including the FBI deserve a lot of credit and thanks for the work they did however they didn't "find" the suspects. Private citizens did. Public and business sources provided the pictures and videos that identified who placed the bombs at the marathon. A private citizen was hi-jacked in his car and provided the information required to locate and chase down the stolen vehicle. The brothers told him "they were the bombers". Furthermore, it has now become public knowledge that the FBI was aware of the older brother's possible link connection to radical influences by terrorist groups, as recently as 2011. Before that became known publically, they denied any knowledge of him. The older brother got out of the car in Watertown and started walking towards the growing law enforcement presence. Fearing a potential suicide bomber attack, law enforcement opened fire and filled him full of holes. The doctors who worked on him have reported that he had so many injuries that they can't determine what exactly caused his death. Then, after almost 24 hours of a shutdown of a major area in the state and with an army of law enforcement agencies conducting a search, they couldn't find the younger brother. Within 15 minutes of lifting the ban of leaving your house, a private citizen found him in his boat and called 911. The media is full of amazing pictures of FLIR images showing the suspect cowering in the boat in the guy's yard. It's great technology and has many good uses, but it didn't *FIND* the suspect. The private citizen boat owner did. Here's where I started to have some questions about how this was handled. It was imperative that he be captured alive, if possible. So what did law enforcement do? Opened fire on the boat (that had a full tank of gas) with fully automatic weapons. At least two weapons can be heard on the videos released by the media, with large capacity magazines being emptied into the boat. This is how you capture someone alive? I think they probably knew where in the boat the asshole was located and opened fire for two reasons; to let the asshole know there were lots of weapons out there and to get enough damage done to the boat so the owner could get a new one. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling' - the liberals' last stand. |
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