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Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/1/2013 6:43 PM, J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:04:19 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 5:03 PM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 16:31:03 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 3:04 PM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:54:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 1:48 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Monday, 1 April 2013 10:13:29 UTC-3, John H wrote: snip.. It's for damn sure I don't know 2% of what you know about any subject! Your knowledge of everything is simply astonishing. You point that out to us on a daily, nay hourly, basis. Now, how would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Salmonbait Johnny, you spent almost your entire Easter.. the most important date in the church calendar, obsessing about handguns. What is wrong with you.... and to make matters worse you now have your wife excited about them. I can't see anything good coming from all this. FOX and the NRA told him he needed guns, of course. Am I the only one who has noticed that John never, EVER mentioned the need nor the desire to have any guns until talk of limiting gun ownership started? What a sheeple. Herring has nothing meaningful to do in his retirement, so he is filling the years between now and his dirt hole with new hobbies. That question really has you stumped, doesn't it ESAFOADD? How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Just how valuable are all the 'safeties' to which you keep referring? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Told ya, John the Racist. Coat the barrel with vaseline, shove it up your ass and pull the trigger. Oh, and get some help for your perseveration problem. Me? You mentioned the lack of safeties several times! Little perseverance of your own, eh? So...How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? I wouldn't be surprised if you said, "I don't know!" Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. I would treat the semi-auto without a safety not at all, Herring. I wouldn't own one. I did for a while, a Glock 34, but its lack of a real safety was the motivating reason for trading it in on on the Sig X-5, which had an ambi safety. That's a tap dance, ESAD, not an answer! Show us your extensive knowledge - that which you boast of constantly. How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. He has to have safeties on all his guns, but he doesn't know why. Now that's weird. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:21:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? Perhaps, but does it make it right? |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc It's not difficult to find these articles. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/1/13 6:02 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/1/2013 4:31 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/1/13 3:04 PM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:54:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 1:48 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Monday, 1 April 2013 10:13:29 UTC-3, John H wrote: snip.. It's for damn sure I don't know 2% of what you know about any subject! Your knowledge of everything is simply astonishing. You point that out to us on a daily, nay hourly, basis. Now, how would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Salmonbait Johnny, you spent almost your entire Easter.. the most important date in the church calendar, obsessing about handguns. What is wrong with you.... and to make matters worse you now have your wife excited about them. I can't see anything good coming from all this. FOX and the NRA told him he needed guns, of course. Am I the only one who has noticed that John never, EVER mentioned the need nor the desire to have any guns until talk of limiting gun ownership started? What a sheeple. Herring has nothing meaningful to do in his retirement, so he is filling the years between now and his dirt hole with new hobbies. That question really has you stumped, doesn't it ESAFOADD? How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Just how valuable are all the 'safeties' to which you keep referring? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Told ya, John the Racist. Coat the barrel with vaseline, shove it up your ass and pull the trigger. Oh, and get some help for your perseveration problem. Wow, that's some pretty nasty ****... wonder if you will get chastised by... uh, oh forget it. Dance on man, Welcome to the Hotel California... How's your charge of blackmail working out? |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
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In article , says... On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:54:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 1:48 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Monday, 1 April 2013 10:13:29 UTC-3, John H wrote: snip.. It's for damn sure I don't know 2% of what you know about any subject! Your knowledge of everything is simply astonishing. You point that out to us on a daily, nay hourly, basis. Now, how would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Salmonbait Johnny, you spent almost your entire Easter.. the most important date in the church calendar, obsessing about handguns. What is wrong with you.... and to make matters worse you now have your wife excited about them. I can't see anything good coming from all this. FOX and the NRA told him he needed guns, of course. Am I the only one who has noticed that John never, EVER mentioned the need nor the desire to have any guns until talk of limiting gun ownership started? What a sheeple. Herring has nothing meaningful to do in his retirement, so he is filling the years between now and his dirt hole with new hobbies. That question really has you stumped, doesn't it ESAFOADD? How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Just how valuable are all the 'safeties' to which you keep referring? Salmonbait The question that really stumped ME was your question about polymers and alloys. I didn't know there were people that stupid. What is the difference between alloys and polymers? |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc It's not difficult to find these articles. =================================== Good info. I keep the two pistols I have in the "condition 3" mode in the rare times that I carry. At home I don't even keep a magazine in them. The only gun I keep "ready to fire" is the S&W 38 Special revolver and I don't carry that one. BTW ... referring to another discussion in which I provided a link of "MA Compliant" guns, there were several Glock models on the list. They are listed in error. Currently, there are *no* new Glock models that may be sold to MA residents. The only ones that can be legally sold are to law enforcement personnel and pre-1998 models which are grandfathered. The pre-1998 models must have *always* been owned in MA. In 2004, Glock released some models that were determined to be MA compliant by the MA safety agency (had the NY2 trigger "safety"). They were sold for about a month in the state but then the AG's office determined that they were *not* to be considered MA compliant and ordered Glock to recall them from dealers. The dealers were also required to provide a list of people who bought one during that time frame so they could be contacted to return their gun. Screwed up state. Here's the letter sent out by Glock: http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics..._commsales.pdf |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/2/13 3:23 AM, Eisboch wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message m... On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc It's not difficult to find these articles. =================================== Good info. I keep the two pistols I have in the "condition 3" mode in the rare times that I carry. At home I don't even keep a magazine in them. The only gun I keep "ready to fire" is the S&W 38 Special revolver and I don't carry that one. BTW ... referring to another discussion in which I provided a link of "MA Compliant" guns, there were several Glock models on the list. They are listed in error. Currently, there are *no* new Glock models that may be sold to MA residents. The only ones that can be legally sold are to law enforcement personnel and pre-1998 models which are grandfathered. The pre-1998 models must have *always* been owned in MA. In 2004, Glock released some models that were determined to be MA compliant by the MA safety agency (had the NY2 trigger "safety"). They were sold for about a month in the state but then the AG's office determined that they were *not* to be considered MA compliant and ordered Glock to recall them from dealers. The dealers were also required to provide a list of people who bought one during that time frame so they could be contacted to return their gun. Screwed up state. Here's the letter sent out by Glock: http://www.gssfonline.com/hot_topics..._commsales.pdf Glock has expended a lot of money and effort in order to convince everyone that its "safe action" trigger is "safe," and it certainly has done a lot of convincing with its PR. It is telling, however, that in Europe, you can buy a Glock with a factory installed thumb safety. But not here. Curious. Here's one of several U.S. sites that will retrofit a thumb safety onto a Glock: http://tenring.com/glock-pistol-work-2/ As I mentioned, I had a Glock for awhile, a Model 34 target pistol. It was a little light for my taste, but that was me, not the pistol. Mechanically it was a fine weapon...it never jammed or misfired. But it always made me nervous because of the lack of a safety, so I got rid of it. My next pistol was the all-steel X-5 and I decided after purchasing that one that I had no affinity for polymer pistols. A lot of people do, of course, but I am not among them. If I were considering a polymer pistol again, I'd probably go for one of the Springfield XD's with a thumb safety: http://www.springfield-armory.com/xd.php?version=147 But I really prefer the heavier, SAO semi-auto pistols. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:21:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:
"F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. My question is based on his continuous decrying the lack of 'safeties' on various weapons. He also purports to be extremely knowledgeable regarding handguns. Therefore, my question is legitimate. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
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