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Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
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Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
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says... On 4/1/2013 4:31 PM, F.O.A.D. wrote: On 4/1/13 3:04 PM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 13:54:31 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 1:48 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Monday, 1 April 2013 10:13:29 UTC-3, John H wrote: snip.. It's for damn sure I don't know 2% of what you know about any subject! Your knowledge of everything is simply astonishing. You point that out to us on a daily, nay hourly, basis. Now, how would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Salmonbait Johnny, you spent almost your entire Easter.. the most important date in the church calendar, obsessing about handguns. What is wrong with you.... and to make matters worse you now have your wife excited about them. I can't see anything good coming from all this. FOX and the NRA told him he needed guns, of course. Am I the only one who has noticed that John never, EVER mentioned the need nor the desire to have any guns until talk of limiting gun ownership started? What a sheeple. Herring has nothing meaningful to do in his retirement, so he is filling the years between now and his dirt hole with new hobbies. That question really has you stumped, doesn't it ESAFOADD? How would you treat a pistol with a safety differently from one without? Just how valuable are all the 'safeties' to which you keep referring? Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. Told ya, John the Racist. Coat the barrel with vaseline, shove it up your ass and pull the trigger. Oh, and get some help for your perseveration problem. Wow, that's some pretty nasty ****... wonder if you will get chastised by... uh, oh forget it. Dance on man, Welcome to the Hotel California... Yes, I agree, almost as low as your nasty, vulgar crap. But at least this one is directly to a poster. Unlike you, who'll stoop so low classed that you say things just as bad or worse about poster's spouses and children. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:
On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. No, you've not provided an answer. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. As is the case with the P250 I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while aiming. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. It's not difficult to find these articles. I'm sure it's not. The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on the stand and move away from it. Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the woods killing stumps) Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/2/13 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Herring finally figures some of it out...but wait... Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? ....because something can snag the "safe action" trigger accidentally and fire the weapon. That's why. That kind of **** happens. With a thumb safety, it takes two bites...first, the safety has to be switched off, and then the trigger has to be pulled. And thumb safeties are typically a lot stiffer to operate than a mushy "safe action" trigger, which, after all, has nothing more than a little piece of plastic or metal lever floating on a pin as the "safe" part. Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. No, the moral of the story is that **** happens. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/2/2013 9:14 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:21:21 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. My question is based on his continuous decrying the lack of 'safeties' on various weapons. He also purports to be extremely knowledgeable regarding handguns. Therefore, my question is legitimate. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. It must be hell sitting around waiting for any illumination from Krausie. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/2/2013 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote:
On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. No, you've not provided an answer. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. As is the case with the P250 I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while aiming. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. It's not difficult to find these articles. I'm sure it's not. The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on the stand and move away from it. Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the woods killing stumps) Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. John 1 ============== harry 0... LOL! |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
On 4/2/13 6:22 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote:
On 4/2/2013 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. No, you've not provided an answer. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. As is the case with the P250 I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while aiming. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. It's not difficult to find these articles. I'm sure it's not. The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on the stand and move away from it. Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the woods killing stumps) Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. John 1 ============== harry 0... LOL! Only in the minds of fools like you. |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
In article ,
says... On 4/2/2013 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. No, you've not provided an answer. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. As is the case with the P250 I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while aiming. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. It's not difficult to find these articles. I'm sure it's not. The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on the stand and move away from it. Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the woods killing stumps) Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. John 1 ============== harry 0... LOL! An alloy and a polymer are the same Harry 1----------- John 0 |
Picked up the Sig Sauer P250
In article ,
says... On 4/2/13 6:22 PM, JustWaitAFrekinMinute wrote: On 4/2/2013 11:57 AM, J Herring wrote: On Mon, 01 Apr 2013 20:20:11 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote: On 4/1/13 7:21 PM, Eisboch wrote: "F.O.A.D." wrote in message ... You're not too bright. I told you *directly* I was not playing your moronic game. Is that too complex and abstract for you? -------------------------------------------- Isn't his persistent question about the same as repeatedly asking Scott how his "blackmail" thing is going? No. Snotty publicly accused me of perpetrating a blackmail against him, and he repeated that allegation several times and even said there were "others" here he informed and they agreed with him. It was personal. Of course, he never offered his proof here. I've offered Herring an answer, and it makes perfect sense. It isn't the answer he wants, but it is an answer. There are other reasons why I wouldn't own a semi-auto pistol without a real safety. No, you've not provided an answer. My semi-autos are not kept ready to fire unless I am ready to fire. Amen. No need for a safety when there is no round in the chamber. That would be Condition 0, where a bullet is in the chamber, the hammer is cocked and the safety is off. You can easily achieve Condition 0 with a so called "safe action" trigger, which is what Glocks and many other semi-auto pistols have. There is no safety, so if the slide is racked, the pistol is ready to fire. No thumb safety. As is the case with the P250 I also don't keep my pistols in Condition 1, aka "cocked and locked," with a bullet in the chamber, a cocked hammer, and the thumb safety on, unless I am ready to shoot at the range. Then, all I have to do is turn the thumb safety off. Before I do that, I know the gun will not discharge, period. When you chamber a round at the range do you then put the pistol aside, or stand around and shoot the ****, such that you need to put the thumb safety on? That would violate your first rule - not ready to fire 'til you're ready to fire. If you've chambered a round, it should be because you're ready to fire - no need to put the safety on, other than to immediately take it off again while aiming. You can't do that with a "safe action" trigger. If you have that sort of pistol in Condition 1, and there is no safety, a pull on the trigger will fire the weapon. On a pistol with no safety, there is no real Condition 1. You're in Condition 0. Exactly. With a safe action or regular trigger (such as on the P250) a chambered round will be fired if the trigger is pulled - whether done with a finger, a Sharpie, a dildo, or a popsicle stick. The moral of that story is to not pull the trigger unless you want the gun to fire. Pistols with a "safe action" trigger typically are handled in Condition 3, in which the chamber is empty, the hammer or firing pin is down, but there is a charged magazine in the weapon. That's fairly safe, but you have to rack the slide to get a round into the chamber. So? You have to rack the slide to chamber a round with a thumb safety also. I have seen two demonstrations at big-time firing ranges where the range safety officer has shown how a Glock can be fired without a finger on the trigger. A "Sharpie" marking pen can fit in the trigger guard, and press the "safe action" blade in the middle of the trigger and if more pressure is exerted the back part of the "safe action" blade will clear, and the trigger will let the gun fire. I'll bet a small dildo, popsicle stick, or butter knife could do the same thing. How stupid one must be to think that only a 'finger' can pull a trigger. Thus, semi-autos without safeties, like the Glocks, are inherently less safe than weapons with a thumb safety. Why? Unless you run around with a round chambered sticking things in the trigger guard. Do you not think it possible to 'accidentally' put the thumb safety into the fire position? Here's an interesting web page that shows an accidental discharge on a semi-auto with no thumb safety: http://tinyurl.com/brpzttc Moral of the story - don't use old, oil-softened leather holsters when carrying with a round in the chamber. It's not difficult to find these articles. I'm sure it's not. The bottom line is that you use your thumb safety while on the range after a round has been chambered and you're daydreaming about what to do next. Once you've chambered a round you should be in position to aim and fire the weapon. If and when the RSO calls a 'cease fire', you remove the round from the chamber and remove the magazine, leaving the slide back. Then place your weapon on the stand and move away from it. Surely you're not allowed to simply put the thumb safety on and walk around (unless you're in the woods killing stumps) Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' last resort. John 1 ============== harry 0... LOL! Only in the minds of fools like you. The little mindless insane low class fool learned a new tactic.... How cute! |
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