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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:28:10 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:34:28 -0400, wrote:

I was a horrible student before I went into the military. I did what
it took to pass. That was pretty much what I saw going on around me
too.
It did not take long before I figured out grades were important to
the
military and I was the top recruit in boot camp and tutoring others
in
FT school. I had a whole lot easier life.
Since then I am always at or near the top of my class.

I think most students would be well served by going to a military
school a while before they start college. You might start seeing "4
year" degrees in 2 or 3 years from those people.
The university system would never put up with it because there is a
lot of money in it for them to make college as slow as they can. You
pay by the hour not by the degree

I get it! More guns. That's the motivation. Give me a ****ing break.
You clearly don't give a **** about anyone else's life experience.
What about getting shot at in the inner city? I guess that doesn't
count.

I spent a lot more time in the inner city than you and I have been
shot at twice.
That is not what we were talking about tho is it?

How many of those inner city kids have the grades to get in college in
the first place? Graduation rates are in the mid 30% and most of them
barely read at the 8th grade level.
If you do find a kid who can make it to college, I salute them. They
will have the desire to succeed and they have a very good chance of
actually getting something out of it.


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What is really sad, is these inner city kids think it is to "whitey"
to
study and learn. Just got back from 3 weeks in South Africa. The
Soweto
uprising was over education. The Whites in charge changing the
schools
to
teach in a language the kids did not know. Depriving them of
education.
http://overcomingapartheid.msu.edu/sidebar.php?id=5
What would those children in SA think of those in Chicago? Maybe it
is
the
same in the inner cities as in SA. Keep the children ignorant and we
get
to
stay in power. Just not the Caucasian in control.

You, like a lot of others here sure are quick to lump everyone into one
narrow minded category.


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unfortunately that is what the African-Americans in the inner city are
thinking about education.

There are many, many stories of inter-city AA's picking themselves up
and making something of themselves. Again, the trouble I'm having is
with you and other's narrow mindedness. You lump everyone into a narrow
category.



What do you say about the lack of support or
changing the graduation rate. Seems as if the powers that be in Chicago
are
still the same powers that be for a lot of years. They seem to be
profiting
from ignorance.

http://thegrio.com/2010/08/17/grim-g...ap-in-schools/
http://blackboysreport.org/state-reports/chicago

I say it sucks, but it still has nothing to do with you and others being
narrow minded.


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Sure there a few that rise above the life in the inner city. Damn few.
When you have a 36% graduation rate, very few are going to be employable
except by drug dealers.

Actually, high school graduation rates aren't all that telling of the
college entrance rate.


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I said nothing about college entrance. How many of those 65% drop outs
could even finish the entrance exams? Either they could not read or write
most of the tests. When we got rid of the shop classes etc. in the schools
we were destined to have large dropout rate. 60% of the high school
students should not go to college. They have either the lack of brains or
the lack of gumption. We need the occupational classes for those people so
they have an idea of what is available outside school for employment.

Who said this:

"How many of those inner city kids have the grades to get in college in
the first place? Graduation rates are in the mid 30% and most of them
barely read at the 8th grade level."

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On 3/23/13 9:29 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:27:03 -0700, "Califbill"
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 20:11:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:03:21 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 16:18:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
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That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery
but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the
license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?

You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about

Only resale maybe. The license costs have already be documented,
you're just trying to slime your way out of being wrong.

That is the only place you can get a license unless you win it in the
once a decade lottery.

Which has nothing to do with getting a license from the state.
Something you're trying to claim you never said. Well, as usual, you
talk in generalities with no justification.

It's like claiming that it costs hundreds of dollars to pay a round of
golf. Well, yeah, if you including buying clubs.

The license is a couple of grand maybe, depending on the type. Then
when you get it you'll have an investment opportunity.

Try making some sense next time.
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Depending on the county in California that couple of grand could be 100
grand. About 45 years ago, friend ran a liquor store in Concord, CA. He
and wife had a great week. Went to Las Vegas and came back with a $1000
more than they left town with after all expenses, and they both entered the
liquor license lotto. Both got drawn. At that time the lotto was about $200
to enter and I think the license was about $5000. You had to run the new
store for a year before the license could be transferred to someone else.
At that time a license in Contra Costa County sold for about $100,000, plus
the store stock. I think there was about a 2% chance of winning in the
lotto. That is the real cost of a license, not the state sold cost, which
is near impossible to get. San Francisco licenses are actually cheap, and
you can not transfer out of county. They are issued per number of residents
and during WW2 SF had a huge population, so lots of licenses were issued.
Much smaller population now, but number of licenses does not decrease.

Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't
add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are
different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license.

I love you're quoting something from 45 years ago... like that has any
relevence.

It's like saying the real cost of getting a license plate sticker
includes the price of the car. Complete bs. You and Gretwel should get
a room.

Well that's pure horse**** that he wrote anyway. In CA every grocery
store sells liquor. No need for liquor stores.


Unless you want some sort of booze the grocery store doesn't sell.

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On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.


You mean, like being a physician?

We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two
aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you
or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and
other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl
babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad
and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments,
including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors
Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare?

Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the
faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply
involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and
in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country,
such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice
aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy?

You're just anti-academia.

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On 3/23/13 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:16:16 -0700, Urin Asshole
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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:48:33 -0400, wrote:



$175,000 is not four figures

So, the state fees are $175K? Citation please.

The state fees are $10,750, still not four figures but the state does
not have any licenses to sell unless they raise the quota (every 10
years) so you are in the private market, buying at whatever price the
market will bear.
It was $175,000 in Collier right in the middle of the recession. I bet
you can't get one for that now.



Taxi medallions are handled the same way in many cities. Owners of them
resell them to the highest bidder.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.

Teaching children is somehow less "real life experience" than, say,
being an accountant how?

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On 3/23/2013 11:27 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
On 3/23/13 11:09 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.


You mean, like being a physician?

We're friends with two of my wife's professors from grad school, two
aging ladies in their 80s now who have done more and seen more than you
or I have. For 40 years, they've run a series of orphanages in China and
other countries in that area of the world, mostly for "unwanted" girl
babies and toddlers, and those operations required frequent trips abroad
and sometimes nasty confrontations with the various governments,
including that of Red China. They recently retired as Professors
Emeritus. Oh, they're nuns. How do your real life experiences compare?

Another of my friends, a fellow who sadly recently died, was on the
faculty of a major university in the MidWest and also was deeply
involved in Polish efforts to remove the communist government there, and
in similar anti-dictatorship movements in other parts of the country,
such as El Salvador. He was shot several times and imprisoned twice
aboard. How do your real life experiences compare to my university buddy?

You're just anti-academia.

All this proves is you know of people who have done stuff. And we can't
be sure that you aren't lying about it.

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Look up this thread a ways. I posted an article in the paper that was
complaining that the economy has driven the price down from $400k to a
mere $175k.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/...y-alcohol-fee/

One county makes up the whole state????

From YOUR cite:

In Florida, the state only gets money from the sale of a quota license
when the license is first issued through the lottery system. The lottery
winner pays a one-time fee of $10,750 in addition to the annual license
cost

I can go to one of the auction sites and see what the other counties
are doing. I bet it is as expensive around Jacksonville, Miami, Tampa
Bay and Orlando tho. You might be able to catch a deal and get one for
$90,000 in Dixie County but I would not bet on it..

What part of "quota" are you having trouble understanding? If you
could just go down to the county clerk and plop down $10,750 and get a
license, why would anyone pay $175,000? (BTW that is exactly the 10X
UA said couldn't happen)
They only release new licenses after a census shows the quota can
rise. That is the lottery I spoke of, typically once every 10 years.

I suspect that as the economy improves, the prices will go up again.

The above is speculation. These are the facts: First of all, you are
only thinking about one type of Florida liquor license, the "quota
license". The second liquor license Florida offers is an SRX, a special
restaurant license that can be applied for year-round if 51 percent or
more of sales at an establishment is food. FURTHERMORE, there are 54
subcategories of licenses based on the type of business you own.

He
http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:23:37 -0400, "F.O.A.D." wrote:

Surely you are not saying that teachers are bereft of "real life
experience."

Yes I am. Most people in academia went to school when they were five
and never left, retiring there sixty years later. It is one of the
worst examples of vertical integration in the world.

Hmm, Architects, engineers, medical professionals, etc. must not have
any real world experience either, because they themselves are required
to take continuing education, plus they are teaching because anyone
going into a profession like the above needs to be taught by the
supervising architects or engineers in order for them to obtain a
license. But then again, according to you, all anyone needs is a CAD
program and then engineering happens magically.

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:11:23 -0700, Urin Asshole
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Nope. Not true. The cost is the Fed, state, and local fees and doesn't
add up to 100K. A few thousand.. that's it. Private sales are
different, but that has nothing to do with getting a license.

They have a quota on those licenses and they are mostly sold in the
private markets. I have already pointed out that occasionally the
state ups the quota and you can get in the lottery for one but that is
literally a crap shoot.

http://www.florida-liquorlicense.com/html/faqs.html

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On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 12:56:43 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 13:23:16 -0400, iBoaterer
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:58:49 -0400, iBoaterer
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That is how much the state charges the lucky winner of the lottery but
the number of licenses are limited and they become instantly more
valuable once you own one.
Depending on what county you live in and the demand the sky is the
limit when you want to buy one.
Typically the state requires you to actually operate under the license
for a while before you can sell it, to avoid speculators.

Cite?

Which state?

You said Florida.

You can just google this yourself if you want
Try cost liquor license state

I did, and posted the fees for Florida.

You didn't look far enough to see they only issue new licenses every
10 years after each census (if the population actually goes up) and
they are doled out in a lottery. After that it is a seller's market.

The average price for a license is up in 6 figures depending in which
county you are talking about

Again, CITE?

Look up this thread a ways. I posted an article in the paper that was
complaining that the economy has driven the price down from $400k to a
mere $175k.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2011/...y-alcohol-fee/

One county makes up the whole state????

From YOUR cite:

In Florida, the state only gets money from the sale of a quota license
when the license is first issued through the lottery system. The lottery
winner pays a one-time fee of $10,750 in addition to the annual license
cost

Well, that's his ticket. It's all "personal" experience and ancedote.
Not actual facts.

Now you are saying the Naples Daily News is wrong too.

What part of "Lottery" are you having trouble understanding?

Again, you are talking about ONE type of liquor license in Florida, and
there are others.