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On 1/13/2013 4:16 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. yup... never ran into pedo's at church though. My first "oh gross, no way" was at boyscouts but the kid was my age. |
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On 1/13/13 6:51 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/13/2013 4:16 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. yup... never ran into pedo's at church though. They probably were turned off by your greasy look and the open sores on your face. |
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On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? Also, in my experience, ten-year olds tend to exaggerate tremendously. Perhaps she misconstrued a prayer before dinner as 'brainwashing'. So you have experienced Baptists making threats in their attempts at coercion? Perhaps you could amplify? Sounds like a good story. Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/14/2013 8:57 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? Also, in my experience, ten-year olds tend to exaggerate tremendously. Perhaps she misconstrued a prayer before dinner as 'brainwashing'. So you have experienced Baptists making threats in their attempts at coercion? Perhaps you could amplify? Sounds like a good story. Salmonbait They are searching in every direction they can to try to defend the narrative, but they really can't unless they call on the media, or like loogie, just make it up.. |
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On 1/14/13 8:57 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? Also, in my experience, ten-year olds tend to exaggerate tremendously. Perhaps she misconstrued a prayer before dinner as 'brainwashing'. So you have experienced Baptists making threats in their attempts at coercion? Perhaps you could amplify? Sounds like a good story. Salmonbait I love how you religious poseurs try to minimize what certain organized religions try to do to gain control of young people. |
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On Monday, January 14, 2013 10:04:02 AM UTC-4, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:34:42 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 6:43 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , lid says... On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) She wanted to go, and a decent parent sometimes lets the reins out a little. As far as calling my sister an idiot, you must be a real big cowardly asshole. Hide behind usenet, call someone an idiot that isn't even part of the group. Are you sure you aren't one of those "compassionate Christians" too? um... I thought the meaning was clear, even included a winking smiley... I was teasing John. When you hop on the ESAD, Donny, and Loogy bandwagon, 'teasing' isn't usually given consideration as such. Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** Awe......maybe you're just too darn sensitive,Johnny. |
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On 1/13/2013 4:16 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. yup... never ran into pedo's at church though. My first "oh gross, no way" was at boyscouts but the kid was my age. You've never heard of pedophiles in church and Christianity????? Do they not show you these things on FOX? http://whosoever.org/seeds/pedophiles.html http://tinyurl.com/ager583 http://tinyurl.com/bhqq5ff http://www.skeptictank.org/clrabuse.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases http://tinyurl.com/2wgwlnc http://tinyurl.com/4xewmy6 I can find several more thousand if you like. |
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On 1/14/13 9:16 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 1/13/2013 4:16 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. yup... never ran into pedo's at church though. My first "oh gross, no way" was at boyscouts but the kid was my age. You've never heard of pedophiles in church and Christianity????? Do they not show you these things on FOX? http://whosoever.org/seeds/pedophiles.html http://tinyurl.com/ager583 http://tinyurl.com/bhqq5ff http://www.skeptictank.org/clrabuse.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases http://tinyurl.com/2wgwlnc http://tinyurl.com/4xewmy6 I can find several more thousand if you like. In Snotty's delusional world, all is well with anything related to "church," which happens to be somewhere he never goes, because "The Snotties" are busy on Sundays, losing motorbike races. |
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On 1/14/13 9:20 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? Also, in my experience, ten-year olds tend to exaggerate tremendously. Perhaps she misconstrued a prayer before dinner as 'brainwashing'. No, she didn't. She clearly understood that they were trying to get her to be born again, and when she stated that she needed to talk to her mother and father first, they told her she should do it NOW. So you have experienced Baptists making threats in their attempts at coercion? Perhaps you could amplify? Sounds like a good story. Yes, I have. Again, "if you aren't born again, you'll burn in hell." . Better to burn in hell than be in the company of all those born-again baptists. |
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On 1/14/13 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
**Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** - - - The American Indians were doing fine until whitey and whitey's religion showed up and destroyed their culture, religion, and civilization, and gave them diseases and stole their land. |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:36:33 -0500, ESAD wrote:
On 1/14/13 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote: **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** - - - The American Indians were doing fine until whitey and whitey's religion showed up and destroyed their culture, religion, and civilization, and gave them diseases and stole their land. ....and then the government started taking care of them... Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:28:21 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:36:33 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/14/13 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote: **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** - - - The American Indians were doing fine until whitey and whitey's religion showed up and destroyed their culture, religion, and civilization, and gave them diseases and stole their land. ...and then the government started taking care of them... Salmonbait No they didn't and that's the problem. Thank you. That's my point. Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/14/13 1:55 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:28:21 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:36:33 -0500, ESAD wrote: On 1/14/13 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote: **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** - - - The American Indians were doing fine until whitey and whitey's religion showed up and destroyed their culture, religion, and civilization, and gave them diseases and stole their land. ...and then the government started taking care of them... Salmonbait No they didn't and that's the problem. Thank you. That's my point. Salmonbait It's really too bad those white christian assholes destroyed native american culture, eh? |
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On 13/01/2013 2:16 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. Good point. http://rt.com/news/pedophile-canada-deacon-charged-700/ Typical church BS, do as I ask not as I do hypocrisy. Fact is the church is a haven for pedophiles. Even Brazil, a catholic strong hold is failing as people leave the church, so bad it gets the Popes personal attention. The reality much of the way the Vatican operates is profit from sin. -- Liberal-socialism is a great idea so long as the credit is good and other people pay for it. When the credit runs out and those that pay for it leave, they can all share having nothing but debt and discontentment. |
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On 1/14/13 3:41 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 13/01/2013 2:16 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. Good point. http://rt.com/news/pedophile-canada-deacon-charged-700/ Typical church BS, do as I ask not as I do hypocrisy. Fact is the church is a haven for pedophiles. Even Brazil, a catholic strong hold is failing as people leave the church, so bad it gets the Popes personal attention. The reality much of the way the Vatican operates is profit from sin. There's no question the Catholic church and perhaps other churches have a serious problem with pedophilia. Perhaps the numbers of pedophiles in the Catholic church might be drastically reduced in the future if the church did away with its requirement that its clergy remain single and abstain from normal adult sexual contact. Which is not to say there is no pedophilia among married people, but the goal is to reduce it in the churches, eh? Jesus, after all, certainly didn't require single clergy or abstention. He probably was married, since it would have been odd for a Jewish male of his age to be single. |
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On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:43:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:28:54 -0500, Earl wrote: WTF is a spiral nail? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/spiral%20nail.jpg ~~ Snerk ~~ ..and Ditzy Dan claims to have a 'contractor supply' business. I built a Cape Cod style house with beams and 2" pine decking floors/ceilings with spiral nails back in the mid '70s. |
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On 1/14/2013 10:25 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/14/2013 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:24:40 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/14/2013 8:16 AM, Salmonbait wrote: Well, obviously the whole population of church volunteers should be indicted for this act. I wonder if there is *any* population without its share of unbalanced individuals. Liberals, maybe? Binary logic? Only if you say so. I think he was talking about the part of the thread where he put up links to outside sources to show how "religion has been shoved down his throat", and how loogies neice was "brainwashed"... You are so confused... |
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On 1/14/2013 11:13 PM, thumper wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:25 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/14/2013 12:38 PM, Salmonbait wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 09:24:40 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/14/2013 8:16 AM, Salmonbait wrote: Well, obviously the whole population of church volunteers should be indicted for this act. I wonder if there is *any* population without its share of unbalanced individuals. Liberals, maybe? Binary logic? Only if you say so. I think he was talking about the part of the thread where he put up links to outside sources to show how "religion has been shoved down his throat", and how loogies neice was "brainwashed"... You are so confused... And you make up stories, so what? |
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On 1/14/2013 8:23 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/14/2013 11:13 PM, thumper wrote: You are so confused... And you make up stories, so what? Wrong again. |
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On 1/15/2013 1:21 AM, thumper wrote:
On 1/14/2013 8:23 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/14/2013 11:13 PM, thumper wrote: You are so confused... And you make up stories, so what? Wrong again. Sure, you said I said, "pedophiles don't like churchgroups".. You made that up.. period.. |
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On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , lid says... It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. You could probably encounter that from any religious fanatic. I went to Baptist church services, "bible school" sessions, and summer camps for a couple years, maybe age 9-11. Never heard burning in hell mentioned. Sermons and bible school just concentrated on interpreting how the meaning of passages applied in conducting your daily life in a "Christian" manner. Don't think I even heard the word "saved" in that church. Don't remember ANY religion taught in the summer camp, just fun. It was all positive, no negative. Though I'm not religious, I still consider it was good "shaping" of my morality. With Baptists, I think the tone is almost entirely set by the Pastor. Maybe I got lucky. Very true. The Methodist services and camps I went to happened to be moderate and for the most part enjoyable. It depends on the integrity of the individuals. I wouldn't generalize that most Baptist pastors are as aggressive and explicit as I experienced but I also wouldn't trust any of them alone with my kids without being *very* familiar with them. The Baptist philosophy in general was more fundamentalist and literal with way more urgency given to strict adherence. Well, my ma went to Sunday services with us and, like everybody else, talked with the Pastor. It was a very friendly environment. She wanted us exposed to some "church going." Never forced it on us. The bible classes were part of the Sunday session, and except for Friday church trips to the YMCA for swimming fun, and the summer camp, it was a Sunday affair. Only thing I remember being "religious" was Sunday. No fire and brimstone either. Big city church with a flock of maybe 2-300. No cracker snake-kissing at all. Pastor was a Swede. Can't remember why we stopped attending. At some point we just stopped going. I remember not wanting to go, and play with friends instead. Ma only went to accompany us. Nobody in my family ever got hooked on religion. It's possible I don't remember any "hard core" religion because I didn't pay attention to it. (-: But I know I never felt coerced, or frightened in any way. It was a good experience. A do-good "socializing" experience, as it should be. Not recommending or dismissing church-going, just stating my only experience with it. I vaguely remember briefly attending a Lutheran church too, but not clearly enough to comment. |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:06:44 -0600, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says... On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , lid says... It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. You could probably encounter that from any religious fanatic. I went to Baptist church services, "bible school" sessions, and summer camps for a couple years, maybe age 9-11. Never heard burning in hell mentioned. Sermons and bible school just concentrated on interpreting how the meaning of passages applied in conducting your daily life in a "Christian" manner. Don't think I even heard the word "saved" in that church. Don't remember ANY religion taught in the summer camp, just fun. It was all positive, no negative. Though I'm not religious, I still consider it was good "shaping" of my morality. With Baptists, I think the tone is almost entirely set by the Pastor. Maybe I got lucky. Very true. The Methodist services and camps I went to happened to be moderate and for the most part enjoyable. It depends on the integrity of the individuals. I wouldn't generalize that most Baptist pastors are as aggressive and explicit as I experienced but I also wouldn't trust any of them alone with my kids without being *very* familiar with them. The Baptist philosophy in general was more fundamentalist and literal with way more urgency given to strict adherence. Well, my ma went to Sunday services with us and, like everybody else, talked with the Pastor. It was a very friendly environment. She wanted us exposed to some "church going." Never forced it on us. The bible classes were part of the Sunday session, and except for Friday church trips to the YMCA for swimming fun, and the summer camp, it was a Sunday affair. Only thing I remember being "religious" was Sunday. No fire and brimstone either. Big city church with a flock of maybe 2-300. No cracker snake-kissing at all. Pastor was a Swede. Can't remember why we stopped attending. At some point we just stopped going. I remember not wanting to go, and play with friends instead. Ma only went to accompany us. Nobody in my family ever got hooked on religion. It's possible I don't remember any "hard core" religion because I didn't pay attention to it. (-: But I know I never felt coerced, or frightened in any way. It was a good experience. A do-good "socializing" experience, as it should be. Not recommending or dismissing church-going, just stating my only experience with it. I vaguely remember briefly attending a Lutheran church too, but not clearly enough to comment. It's my experience that Lutheran Churches have the best pot lucks and other feed-ins. Salmonbait -- **Those who think they can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of them better take a closer look at the American Indian.** |
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On 1/15/2013 2:21 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/15/2013 1:21 AM, thumper wrote: On 1/14/2013 8:23 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/14/2013 11:13 PM, thumper wrote: You are so confused... And you make up stories, so what? Wrong again. Sure, you said I said, "pedophiles don't like churchgroups".. You made that up.. period.. On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote: "Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... " Is that better? How does that change the meaning? |
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On Monday, January 14, 2013 9:43:01 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:28:54 -0500, Earl wrote: WTF is a spiral nail? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/spiral%20nail.jpg ~~ Snerk ~~ ..and Ditzy Dan claims to have a 'contractor supply' business. I built a Cape Cod style house with beams and 2" pine decking floors/ceilings with spiral nails back in the mid '70s. Learn to follow a thread. I'm not "Ditzy Dan". Time to throw the Playbook in the ocean and get a real machine. You built a house? Sounds like some BS that deadbeat Krause would spew. |
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On 1/14/2013 5:57 AM, Salmonbait wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? My criticism of your binary thinking refers to your rhetorical tactic of presenting circumstances as an either/or choice between two polar opposites. The real world is seldom that simple. There are usually more than two choices and the possible situations usually span a wide spectrum. |
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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:09:27 -0800, thumper wrote:
On 1/14/2013 5:57 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2013 11:08:32 -0800, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. All decisions are the result of binary thinking. Why do you denigrate it? My criticism of your binary thinking refers to your rhetorical tactic of presenting circumstances as an either/or choice between two polar opposites. The real world is seldom that simple. There are usually more than two choices and the possible situations usually span a wide spectrum. But the decision always boils down to a binary process. I place your criticism on a par with that of ESAD, Kevin, and jps. IOW, don't waste a lot of time on it. Salmonbait -- 'Name-calling'...the liberals' answer to a lost argument! |
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On 1/16/13 2:27 PM, Salmonbait wrote:
But the decision always boils down to a binary process. I place your criticism on a par with that of ESAD, Kevin, and jps. IOW, don't waste a lot of time on it. Salmonbait -- No one other than racists, morons and idiots takes the puke you throw in here seriously. Where you place anything matters not. |
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... On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:36:41 PM UTC-4, Earl wrote: wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:28:54 -0500, Earl wrote: WTF is a spiral nail? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/spiral%20nail.jpg Interesting. Looks like a bitch to hammer in! Maybe for weak-wristed Girlieman. --------------------- They are harder to drive in. I used a lot of those in High School years building pallets. Piece work. We got extra if we had to use the spiral nails as it slowed us down. |
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:36:41 -0500, Earl wrote: wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:28:54 -0500, Earl wrote: WTF is a spiral nail? http://gfretwell.com/ftp/spiral%20nail.jpg Interesting. Looks like a bitch to hammer in! ... but harder to pull out, the point of that kind of nail. That might work better in a nail gun. |
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