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On 1/12/2013 7:05 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:54 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:32 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:13 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:28 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 7:54 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 8:44 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 6:23 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:21 AM, Tim wrote: On Jan 11, 2:27 pm, ESAD wrote: I had in-laws who tried to pull that crap on me at a family gathering in Florida. They were trying to hustle funds for a trip their church was planning to take to somewhere in Central America to proselytize. Or maybe it was South America. One or the other. Basically, they were heading into some backwoods areas in attempts to convert indigenous Catholics into Southern Baptists, and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera. "Indigenous Catholics?" And what were the indigenous before they were Catholics? "and, as bait, they were bringing along church members who were nurses, doctors, et cetera." is it wrong to help people improve their health and their lives? " What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, Go in peace; keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." James 2:14-17 What were the indigenous peoples before they were catholics? They had their own culture and their own religions *before* the Europeans came along and destroyed both. Interesting quote you provided...sort of a justification for proselytizing and destroying a people and a culture. It's damned wrong to go to some backwater area and offer help to people if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours. Harry I have no idea where you get the notion of " if only they will give up their beliefs and culture to adopt yours." That isn't written in the scripture, it isn't even applied. I have no idea why you feel you need to conjure up these things. Really? What do evangelical missionaries do? Answer: they preach Christianity to others with the object of conversion, and many times in history those conversions were accomplished with the threat of death. Yeah, a 'history of death'' by ungodly people under the guise of doing the work of Christ. But if you feel to believe so, then that is your right . But you were making a point that there was some kind of a 'bargaining' that was to happen. like medical, shelter, clothing, food, ...firewood. You give the impression that missionaries use Christianity as some kind of a tool. You either convert, or you don't get the goods. There is non of that. Again, if you feel to believe so, then that is your right . You either listen to the message or you get...nothing. That's the case with some missionaries in Central and South America. But you implied that it is ALL! Can you tell me of modern missionaries that do this? Or is this simply a misconception you are promoting? No, I didn't imply all. I have read of missionaries in places like India withholding services/goods for those who would not convert, and I have read of other such cases. "As you may suspect, I am not in favor of proselytizing of any kind. I think the practice is disgusting. If it were up to me, I would expel any missionaries in foreign countries who engage in proselytizing...." And by doing so, you would also be expelling hundreds if not thousands of health care workers, teachers,dentists, hygienists, dieticians, carpenters, metallurgists and other craftsmen, farmers, scientists, engineers, People who can show others how to live healthier... You'd also be taking a lot of monies out of the local economy that was provided by those you kicked out of the country. Yes, Harry, By expelling those pesky foreign bible thumpers, you'd help keep your third world country "third" Well? Would you expect anything else from dems, that's their MO. |
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On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. |
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On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In article , lid says... It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. You could probably encounter that from any religious fanatic. I went to Baptist church services, "bible school" sessions, and summer camps for a couple years, maybe age 9-11. Never heard burning in hell mentioned. Sermons and bible school just concentrated on interpreting how the meaning of passages applied in conducting your daily life in a "Christian" manner. Don't think I even heard the word "saved" in that church. Don't remember ANY religion taught in the summer camp, just fun. It was all positive, no negative. Though I'm not religious, I still consider it was good "shaping" of my morality. With Baptists, I think the tone is almost entirely set by the Pastor. Maybe I got lucky. Very true. The Methodist services and camps I went to happened to be moderate and for the most part enjoyable. It depends on the integrity of the individuals. I wouldn't generalize that most Baptist pastors are as aggressive and explicit as I experienced but I also wouldn't trust any of them alone with my kids without being *very* familiar with them. The Baptist philosophy in general was more fundamentalist and literal with way more urgency given to strict adherence. |
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On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/12/2013 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Right on target Tim. Yeah, those darn Jewish missionaries are so aggressive. |
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And to think *you* have children. The horror of it. Didn't yours disown you after they left you? Were you a tax cheat then, too? |
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On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Right on target Tim. Yeah, those darn Jewish missionaries are so aggressive. Jewish missionaries... Funny. 😄 |
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On 1/12/2013 12:52 PM, Boating All Out wrote: In article , lid says... It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. You could probably encounter that from any religious fanatic. I went to Baptist church services, "bible school" sessions, and summer camps for a couple years, maybe age 9-11. Never heard burning in hell mentioned. Sermons and bible school just concentrated on interpreting how the meaning of passages applied in conducting your daily life in a "Christian" manner. Don't think I even heard the word "saved" in that church. Don't remember ANY religion taught in the summer camp, just fun. It was all positive, no negative. Though I'm not religious, I still consider it was good "shaping" of my morality. With Baptists, I think the tone is almost entirely set by the Pastor. Maybe I got lucky. Very true. The Methodist services and camps I went to happened to be moderate and for the most part enjoyable. It depends on the integrity of the individuals. I wouldn't generalize that most Baptist pastors are as aggressive and explicit as I experienced but I also wouldn't trust any of them alone with my kids without being *very* familiar with them. The Baptist philosophy in general was more fundamentalist and literal with way more urgency given to strict adherence. I don't know how many times in my life I've been told that I'm going to "burn in hell" because I wouldn't be born again. My aunt, a very devote Christian, wouldn't step foot in a church because of their practices and constant begging for money. She was a good woman, read the bible daily and practiced what she interpreted as a good and holy life. I guess by not being saved, she must be in hell, while those in the Westboro Baptist church are in Heaven because they have been born again? Gee, somehow that seems like bull**** and indoctrination! |
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says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. |
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On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. |
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On 1/13/2013 10:38 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Here's a good read for you dummy. You like satire, don't you? http://www.amazon.com/How-Choose-Chu.../dp/0977284603 |
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On 1/13/2013 11:00 AM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Splain it to the dummy instead of being an asshole and saying "wrong". An apple is a fruit An orange is a fruit An apple isn't an orange Loogy is an asshole Harry is an asshole loogy isn't harry I'd swear that Loogy's logic comes out his ass. |
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says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" |
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On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. |
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On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship, Mr. blowhard asshole? |
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says... On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote: On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship, Mr. blowhard asshole? OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish religion as Harry does!!! |
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On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om, says... On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote: On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship, Mr. blowhard asshole? OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish religion as Harry does!!! I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was forced upon them. |
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On Jan 13, 9:31*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. *Do it now. It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 |
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On 1/13/2013 12:49 PM, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote: On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship, Mr. blowhard asshole? OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish religion as Harry does!!! I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was forced upon them. What's the etymology of the word etymology? |
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Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 And man walked the earth with dinosaurs. |
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@w3g2000yqj.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 13, 9:31*am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. *Do it now. It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 Yes, but not according to Scott, he says it isn't happening!! |
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In article ,
says... On 1/13/13 12:26 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In article om, says... On 1/13/2013 12:05 PM, ESAD wrote: On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions. Why don't you let the Jews decide what to call their houses of worship, Mr. blowhard asshole? OH, no, once again, those Jews don't know as much about the Jewish religion as Harry does!!! I know enough to know that Jews don't call their houses of worship churches. The etymology of the word "church" clearly shows its connection to 4th century Germanic peoples, long before christianity was forced upon them. Like I said, of COURSE you know more than the Jews themselves! At least you think you do. You must be quite amazing in your own mind. |
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On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? |
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On Jan 13, 11:05*am, ESAD wrote:
On 1/13/13 11:51 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:59 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/13/13 10:17 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says.... On 1/12/2013 4:23 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:55 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 3:33 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 2:16 pm, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 2:34 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 8:49 am, ESAD wrote: On 1/12/13 9:50 AM, Salmonbait wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:26:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Jan 12, 12:31 am, thumper wrote: On 1/11/2013 12:19 PM, Salmonbait wrote: If your sister was more than a dunce, she would not have allowed your niece to go with a church group. What the hell did she expect? Exactly, what kind of idiot would trust a church group with a child? ;-) Me. *As a kid, I attended lots of church functions, camps and gatherings. had a lot of fun too. ?;^ ) And I'll bet your uncle didn't talk about your mom letting you go and get 'brainwashed'. Hell, church picnics and potlucks were, and are, the best eatin' around! Really? Several of our local churches sell "churchlady" cooked food a few times a year to raise funds. Perfectly legit. Last summer, we bought two "barbecue" meals from one of those churches, barbecued chicken and barbecued ribs. The chicken was overdone, dry, and pretty much tasteless, the sauce on the ribs tasted like melted sugar, and the coleslaw and potato salad came from Safeway. Hardly "the best eatin' around," unless you like bad cooking.. Harry, by buying those meals, it sounds to me like you're supporting churches who support missionaries Who want to convert others by cramming religion down their throats. Not good!! I don't believe the church in question has anything to do with missionaries. You seem to think I object to religion. I don't. My objection is to religion that tries to impose its beliefs on those who either believe differently or don't believe at all. I have no objection to the voluntary support of neighborhood religious organizations, except, in this case, I don't think we'll be supporting their barbecues again. I might try a cake/pie/cookie sale. I know of no 'church' that doesn't support missionaries, Harry. Ahh, but you don't know of *every* church, do you? do you? The important question is does he know any that don't, cause if he doesn't, the whole premise is a lie, thus the question is invalid. Guess you've never heard of practicing Jews, eh? The religious houses of Jews are not churches. Yes they are. Church = house of God Synagogue = house of God. Wrong. Uh, no, correct: http://www.jewfaq.org/shul.htm "The synagogue is the Jewish equivalent of a church, more or less. It is the center of the Jewish religious community: a place of prayer, study and education, social and charitable work, as well as a social center. What's in a Name? Throughout this site, I have used the word "synagogue," but there are actually several different terms for a Jewish "church," and you can tell a lot about people by the terms they use" No one argues that synagogue and church are equals in the sights of their different communities. The dispute is over whether it is proper or appropriate to call a synagogue (or Jewish temple) a church. It isn't. Modern Jews from different cultures and parts of the world have different names for their houses of worship, but I doubt "church" would be an acceptable term for the vast majority, since the word connotes the house of worship of an entirely different group of religions.. We have a 'church building' but it isn't the 'church' To us, the 'Church' is the individual body of believers |
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On Jan 13, 12:51*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. *There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. *Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. *Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. *Do it now. It does happen. *It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind *that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat. |
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On 1/13/13 3:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 12:51 pm, JustWait wrote: On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat. If you were a young woman in need of an abortion in certain states in this country, you might feel differently. |
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On 1/13/2013 3:12 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 12:51 pm, JustWait wrote: On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat. I was directing that to the guy who put up all the weird links to things that never happened to him.... He is creating a false narrative and having a discussion about something he said was first person, but in reality is only third person, at best... |
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On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote:
Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith. |
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On 1/12/2013 4:48 AM, JustWait wrote:
Pedophiles and their enablers don't really like church groups... Except the ones they run. |
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On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? WTF???? Where did you get the notion I was saying that?? Are you that damned crazy?? Now go give your daughter some more dick sucking lessons. |
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On 1/13/2013 3:12 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 12:51 pm, JustWait wrote: On 1/13/2013 1:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Jan 13, 9:31 am, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On 1/12/2013 3:17 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 11:20 AM, JustWait wrote: On 1/12/2013 2:08 PM, thumper wrote: On 1/12/2013 7:02 AM, Salmonbait wrote: I should have said, "What did your sister expect when she allowed her daughter to go on a weekend trip with a Baptist church group - no religion?" There's that binary thinking again. There's a difference between presenting information in a comfortable environment and more intense coercion involving threats. Baptists tend toward the latter from my limited experience. So you are speculating that this "brainwashing" actually happened, pretty much because it fits in with your agenda... I get it.. Read this slowly. I've experienced threatening coercion specifically from a Baptist youth leader in rural Michigan. Accept Jesus as your personal savior or burn in Hell for eternity. Do it now. It does happen. It's not a situation I would place a young child in without parental supervision. So, this was what? One incident? Close to what, 60 years ago??? That really doesn't come any where close to brainwashing or shoving down the throat... So again, why are we even having this narrative about something that doesn't happen... http://www.biblelife.org/bondage.htm http://tinyurl.com/bj3g2ez http://tinyurl.com/ao8cbwz http://tinyurl.com/ab96rg4 http://jimmichie.com/indoctrination.htm I simply can NOT believe that there are people here with their heads so far in the sand that they don't believe indoctrination happens in many churches!!! Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 So, what you are saying is nobody ever really "shoved religion down *your* throat", it was a false narrative.... OK, can we move on now??? Nobody ever shoved religion down my throat. I was directing that to the guy who put up all the weird links to things that never happened to him.... He is creating a false narrative and having a discussion about something he said was first person, but in reality is only third person, at best... ???? You stupid ****, can you even read??? Those links were about synagogues and churches!!!!!! What a dumb, insane idiot!!!! |
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On Jan 13, 2:52*pm, thumper wrote:
On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote: Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind *that 1+1= 2 There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith. Well, I have faith in Jesus Christ as my savior and I also believe 2+2= 4. One is proven to be solid evidence and the other is an indoctrination? hmmm. ?;^ ) |
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On 1/13/13 5:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Jan 13, 2:52 pm, thumper wrote: On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Tim wrote: Indoctrination is everywhere. Isn't that a basic job of any school of thought , whether public or private, Universities, etc ? Someone has to convince a mind that 1+1= 2 There's a distinction between math and evidence based science and unknowable supernatural beliefs taken on faith. Well, I have faith in Jesus Christ as my savior and I also believe 2+2= 4. One is proven to be solid evidence and the other is an indoctrination? hmmm. ?;^ ) I think the math you quoted is based upon solid evidence. Your faith is your faith and in your case, it surely is real enough for you, but that's all there really is in that regard...faith. |
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