iBoaterer wrote:
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iBoaterer wrote:
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iBoaterer wrote:
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On Monday, December 31, 2012 4:22:26 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
wrote:

On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:

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Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...



http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html







What is YOUR solution?



Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and
legitimate hunting rifles.



The founders did not include gun rights because of hunting. They wanted

the leaders to have a fear of the populace. The problem we have, and

seeing a few mass murders in Canada also, the problem includes canada, is

that we have both a general breakdown in society and a mental health system

that is mostly nonexistent and overly constrained by law.

All the more reason to limit ownership of firearms.

See what the control advocates in Canada have accomplished. You can have
you petty dictator run roughshod all he wants.

Here's how you do it:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexin...12/gun-control




And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In
2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms
in England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of
America?s. In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.

The murder rate in England is about one third the US. Guns are very
tightly controlled, so the weapon of choice is different. Robbery and
assault are at a higher rate than the US. Remove the drug war shootings,
and our rate would plummet. New York has always had a higher murder rate,
and had control a decade earlier than England. We are also a country that
was settled by people with a more aggressive tendency.

One third??? Can you do any math?? Okay, population wise, England and
Wales, is ONE SIXTH of the U.S. In TWO years in the U.K. there were 39
deaths. In the U.S. there were 12,000 in ONE year. Now do tell how that
math ratio comes out to 1/3.......

How many murders in England? Not just firearms.

Psssst, we are talking about firearms and the availability of such.....
sheesh.

We are also talking murder.

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On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...


He flat out ignored all you said about human interaction.
To a gun nut it's all about guns. The typical gun nut owns many more
guns than a cop, and unlike a cop, sees pulling a gun as first option.


Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...


The cops didn't take "down one suspect."
They killed a murdering gun nut pointing a .45 at them.
"Detectives searching Johnson's apartment found books on training and
fighting skills such as "Techniques and Equipment of the Deadly Marksmen
Snipers" and "Attack Proof - the Ultimate Guide to Personal
Protection," the source said."
Besides that, he legally purchased the gun - wait for it - in Florida.
Nine civilians were injured, not eleven. All but 3 grazed by bullet or
concrete pottery fragments. Patched and released. The other 3 were
hospitalized with injuries said to be "not serious."
"They weren't even rookies." No, they were 15 year veterans.
And had never fired a shot in the line of duty.
A gun nut probably thinks cops should "go looking" for REAL combat
situations. You know - practice.
Fired 16 rounds - NYPD uses hollow points - and hit with 10.
Not good enough for the gun nut though. A gun nut would know how to
handle another gun nut better.
Riiiiight.


Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?

Pretty sure gfretwell would say AGNA - American Gun Nut Association.
That's their answer to gun violence - more guns.
Kudos to you Scotty, for injecting some sense into this conversation.
I don't usually think about the gun nut element of people.
Don't run in that crowd.
Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.

On 1/1/13 5:32 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.



You seem unable to understand what you read. I certainly will defend
with a firearm from a home invader. That's about it. That doesn't make
me a gun nut.

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On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?

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says...

On 1/1/13 5:32 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.



You seem unable to understand what you read. I certainly will defend
with a firearm from a home invader. That's about it. That doesn't make
me a gun nut.

Yes, you are a gun nut. You are the one who regal us with your stories
of killing stumpy and what you would do if the wrong person knocked on
your door. Remember to make sure you actually kill the person and not
just maime them. It would suck for the police to find out that you
opened your door and then pulled the trigger. Oh, make sure that you
have your throw away gun to plant on the "intruder" you just killed. You
need to meeet force with force. They would want to know why you opened
the door, killed someone, planted a gun on them rather than calling 911.

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On 1/1/13 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:33:45 -0500, GuzzisRule
wrote:

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:02:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/31/12 8:32 AM, wrote:

Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and legitimate hunting rifles.



Too rational for the lunatics in this country.

How would you 'disarm the population' in DC and Anacostia, ESAD?

They must have already been disarmed. Owning a handgun has been
illegal in DC since 1968 (unless it was registered at that time) and
long guns are heavily regulated. This should be the safest city in the
country.


I proposed a plan. The plan was to round up all the useless old racist
right-wing farts like Herring and send them into the tough neighborhoods
in DC to knock on doors and insist on having the occupants turn over
their firearms.

My plan:

1. Provides honest work for the old-fart right wingers.
2. Might result in some of the old farts being terminated, an event that
would cut down on the number of racists *and* the CO2 they emit.
3. Might get some firearms out of the hands of those who might not be
legally entitled to have them.

Such duties might help people like Herring atone for the horrors they
visited upon SE Asia.

There are no unregistered "guns" in DC. If they are then they are
illegal.

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iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
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In article ,
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On 12/31/12 5:24 PM, thumper wrote:
On 12/31/2012 1:23 PM, Califbill wrote:

See what the control advocates in Canada have accomplished. You can have
you petty dictator run roughshod all he wants.

If they tried that here you'd shoot him?



Bilious Bill thinks the army of NRA members, once it emerges from its
beer-induced stupor in the woods deer hunting expedition, will be able
to stage a successful insurrection against the forces of the United
States. More likely, they'll shoot each other.

Why does Harry Reid carry a concealed handgun?

Cite?

Same as Feinstien's bodyguard carrying a submachine gun.

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2012/1...nate-majority-
leader-harry-reid-in-2010-extolled-the-virtues-of-guns-i-carried-a-gun-
every-place-i-went-but-for-me-guns-are-more-than-that-about-self-
defense-video-2010/

http://www.therightscoop.com/turns-o...eid-and-diane-
feinstein-have-carried-guns-for-their-protection/

On 1/1/2013 5:32 PM, Boating All Out wrote:


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?

Pretty sure gfretwell would say AGNA - American Gun Nut Association.

So, in other words, you do not have a rational response so you will go
with the middle school drama again.. Please, leave the conversation to
folks who shave...

On 1/1/2013 7:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 12:59 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/1/2013 12:32 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:37:17 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 12/31/2012 11:12 AM, JustWait wrote:


Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer
has.


Why do we think there is something wonderful about the training cops
have?

Because a lot of their training is directed at exactly the type of
incursion we are talking about here...

Remember last summer the cops in New York shot 11 innocent bystanders,
taking down one suspect. They weren't even rookies.


It called "the fog of war"... it was terrible, but it happened. Hey, I
hear a plane crashed once, maybe we just shouldn't fly either...

Do you think a bunch of untrained civilians would do any better? In
fact, can you give me one identifiable group that you think would be
better suited for such duty?


I think it would be better if we kept armed people of every kind away
from our public schools.

I'd rather we spend that sort of money, or a good portion of it on:

1. Licensing gun owners and guns, and that includes all current gun
owners and their firearms. Licensing to include a mandatory safety
course and demonstration of knowledge at a licensed firing range.

2. No private sales of firearms without a legal paper trail.

3. Drastically increased funding for community mental health screening
and services.

4. Outlawing of firearms that can accommodate more than 10 rounds in a
magazine, and required turning in or permanent modification of existing
firearms.

5. Educational programs in the public schools that teach children how to
resolve conflict without "going Scotty."

Is that why you live so far away from a school?



He lives that far because Harry Krause is a convicted sexual predator...
back in Florida where he used to live...

On 1/1/13 7:20 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 1/1/13 5:32 PM, Boating All Out wrote:

Now it's more clear why you are disgusted by krause, another gun nut.
Always talking about he would "defend himself" with his guns.
As crazy as you are, you're a a couple notches saner than a gun nut.
Yeah, I know, faint praise. All I got.



You seem unable to understand what you read. I certainly will defend
with a firearm from a home invader. That's about it. That doesn't make
me a gun nut.

Yes, you are a gun nut. You are the one who regal us with your stories
of killing stumpy and what you would do if the wrong person knocked on
your door. Remember to make sure you actually kill the person and not
just maime them. It would suck for the police to find out that you
opened your door and then pulled the trigger. Oh, make sure that you
have your throw away gun to plant on the "intruder" you just killed. You
need to meeet force with force. They would want to know why you opened
the door, killed someone, planted a gun on them rather than calling 911.


D'uh. "Stumpy" was an old tree stump which was going to be removed one
way or another because it sat in the middle of a future septic system
drain field.

You morons seem to confuse knocking on a door with home invasion.