On 12/31/12 11:37 AM, JustWait wrote:

Quite frankly I think the training should be based on the training a
rookie Police Officer comes in with... This might mean a couple years of
night school, but if you are going to have armed anybody in the schools
I think they need all the tools of conflict resolution, physical
ability, tactical awareness, etc that a fully trained Police Officer has.


You're barely literate and you're coming with "plans" on educating and
putting armed guards in the public schools? Funny stuff.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:02:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/31/12 8:32 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
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says...



Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html



What is YOUR solution?

Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and legitimate hunting rifles.



Too rational for the lunatics in this country.

How would you 'disarm the population' in DC and Anacostia, ESAD?

On Dec 31, 7:38*am, BAR wrote:
In article 1687839471378624124.639887bmckeenospam-
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ESAD wrote:
On 12/30/12 10:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...ers-get-gun-tr...

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues..
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah..
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** *with.

Utah is among the 12 lowest states for murder rate, but it doesn't do so
well with other crimes of violence, such as forcible rape.

The WordPerfect Corporation was located in Utah and produced a fine
product. Then it was sold, and the product deteriorated. I can't recall
anything else "manmade" about Utah I find interesting. The mormon church
is not interesting to me.

WordPerfect screwed up is why the product deteriorated! *They ignored the
function keys, and made it harder to work than it should have been. *Then
they ignored Windows, and then finally released a crappy bloated product.

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:02:02 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

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On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

You don't think that a teacher can go off like anyone else might be
capable of?

What if this teacher, who until this time was just fine, was allowed to
carry a gun??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbAHqn_qmo

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NLQkTfKosY

Or this one:

http://sitchnews.com/3774/teachers-g...s-during-math-
class

What if schools sent students that were making the teachers go crazy
to reform schools instead?

Oh, so all mental health problems of teachers comes from the students,
eh?

On 12/31/2012 2:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:02:02 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

You don't think that a teacher can go off like anyone else might be
capable of?

What if this teacher, who until this time was just fine, was allowed to
carry a gun??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbAHqn_qmo

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NLQkTfKosY

Or this one:

http://sitchnews.com/3774/teachers-g...s-during-math-
class

What if schools sent students that were making the teachers go crazy
to reform schools instead?


Kevin is incapable of abstract thinking like those teachers wouldn't
have gotten through the type of training and monitoring I am talking
about. As usual, his made up argument isn't even relevant to the
conversation.

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On 12/31/2012 2:49 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:02:02 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 09:49:48 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 08:05:31 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:56:46 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:36:43 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/30/12 6:52 PM, wrote:
Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the first sort of trained
teacher ends up shooting a kid "by sccident."

Hey, this is the United States. Rather than deal with the issues, we arm
teacher.

We arm everybody that is truly expected to protect and defend. Now,
that responsibility falls to those people acting in loco parentis.

Deal with the issues? There is no squishy idealism debate of issues.
This is about crazy armed people looking for a soft underbelly and
finding it among unprotected children. This isn't necessarily about
guns, either. Other countries are having the same problem with crazies
employing knives, machetes, and hatchets to eviscerate and hack off
school children's body parts.

It is already legal for teachers in Utah to carry. I applaud them for
seeking further training in pursuit of protect the children and fellow
employees.

An interesting thing is I have not heard about any shootings in Utah.
I googled Utah Shooting and I got this story, one story about a drug
raid and a ****load of stories and ads for places to shoot.

Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

So, you think the shooters are representative of the general
population? Interesting logic, that.

Who else comes from the general population?

Yes, the shooters came from the general population of the U.S. That's
where everyone else comes from, INCLUDING teachers.

So, you are drawing specifics from the widest possible generality?

You don't think that a teacher can go off like anyone else might be
capable of?

What if this teacher, who until this time was just fine, was allowed to
carry a gun??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODbAHqn_qmo

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NLQkTfKosY

Or this one:

http://sitchnews.com/3774/teachers-g...s-during-math-
class

What if schools sent students that were making the teachers go crazy
to reform schools instead?


Kevin is incapable of abstract thinking like those teachers wouldn't
have gotten through the type of training and monitoring I am talking
about. As usual, his made up argument isn't even relevant to the
conversation.

How do you know that you stupid fool???? Cops have been through exactly
the training you are talking about and they go nuts on almost a daily
basis. Training has nothing to do with what the mind does.

wrote:
On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html



What is YOUR solution?

Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and legitimate hunting rifles.

The founders did not include gun rights because of hunting. They wanted
the leaders to have a fear of the populace. The problem we have, and
seeing a few mass murders in Canada also, the problem includes canada, is
that we have both a general breakdown in society and a mental health system
that is mostly nonexistent and overly constrained by law.

On 12/31/12 3:22 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html



What is YOUR solution?

Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and legitimate hunting rifles.

The founders did not include gun rights because of hunting. They wanted
the leaders to have a fear of the populace. The problem we have, and
seeing a few mass murders in Canada also, the problem includes canada, is
that we have both a general breakdown in society and a mental health system
that is mostly nonexistent and overly constrained by law.


Unless you have money or decent health insurance, the mental health
system is more nonexistent than overly constrained.

On 12/31/12 2:33 PM, GuzzisRule wrote:
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:02:40 -0500, ESAD wrote:

On 12/31/12 8:32 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58:58 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,

says...



Looks like things are getting crazier by the minute down there...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity...-shooting.html



What is YOUR solution?

Disarm the population...with an exception for shotguns and legitimate hunting rifles.



Too rational for the lunatics in this country.

How would you 'disarm the population' in DC and Anacostia, ESAD?


I'd send all the useless, militaristic, racist old farts like you into
the neighborhoods and order you to go door to door on a weapons seizure
mission.

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Maybe those Mormons are too scary to start up any **** with.

So are you ASSuming that the teachers toting guns to school will be any
more mentally stable than the general population of the U.S. where the
shooters have come from?

As a rule, I'd guess teachers are more "mentally stable' than the
"general population." And certainly more stable than gun nuts.
Anti-social teachers don't get far.
The great majority of teachers want no part of guns in the classroom.
We'd have to hire NRA shooters to teach the 3 R's and everything else.
Though you're essentially right on, remember you're talking to gun nuts.
Even Mormons are "too scary."
Mitt Romney is real scary guy. Don't start **** with Mitt Romney.
This is the nature of the gun nut.
I'm sure the Lanza woman thought herself "perfectly normal."
She was a gun nut.
Then you got krause, armed to the teeth with Glocks capable of firing
hundreds of rounds in a minute or two.
Mainly for defense against Scotty and "feral dogs" according to him.
More "general population."
Range time isn't for target shooting per se, it's for "readiness."
All para-military bull****.
Sane people like you and Scotty use their time to make beer and BBQ.
Yep, I consider you and Scotty more sane than a gun nut.
It's a real stretch, but there it is.
We can argue, and nobody's going to pull a gun.
Gun nuts always carry if they think there will be an argument.
They assume another gun nut will attend the argument.
But it's not nearly as wild west out there as most think.
Gun nuts make a lot of noise, but the great majority of people don't own
or want to own guns. And most hunters aren't gun nuts.
In fact, hardly any gun nut is a hunter.
The stats are all skewed. Gun nuts own multiple guns, inflating
"ownership" stats.
Not unusual for a gun nut to own 10 or more guns.
They make at least 10 times as much noise too. Squeaking wheels is why
they are allowed their guns, not the 2nd.
Like pot smokers. Not a big proportion of people smoke pot.
But why do they pass referendums allowing pot smoking?
The pot smokers are all wired to vote.
And the others voting "yes" want pot smokers to just shut the **** up.
Pretty much how I feel about gun nuts.
Just go clean and oil your guns and shut the **** up.
Have your munchie time.
Jesus Christ, just give sane people some peace.