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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:24:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:56:27 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

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Breaking down is fairly easy, putting it back together is what gives
people fits until they learn how to get the hammer and spring into the
right position.

In terms of speed and accuracy, a S&W 41 or an old Hi Standard
Supermatic will run circles around the Ruger III.

I have an old target model Woodsman that is hard to beat. I traded a
100 round belt of .50 BMG for it from a gun dealer in Oxon Hill Md.


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My dad had a Woodsman in the 1950's. Was a real POS. Had about a 5' impact
region when bench rest shooting. He traded it for a Benjamin pump up pellet
gun. The Benjamin was a hell of a lot better weapon than that Woodsman.
Plus cheaper to shoot. For a fun accurate 22, he had a Colt Buntline
Special 22lr/22mag. Do not know what happened to that weapon. Maybe was
stolen when his house was robbed when he was in the hospital at end of life.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:09:40 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:



Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you

wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?



People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those

who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and

unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol

whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it

under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your

home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?

That's how most guns make it to the street.



The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,

mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and

unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the

recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.



Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility

at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.


And you call others racist? What a racist post you just made.

On Oct 10, 9:43*am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com, says...











On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
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says...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The .22 kits (from what I understand,) were used for training purposes
as far back as WW 1 to conserve bigger caliber ammunition. Same feel
and break down as the .45 ACP but a whole lot cheaper to shoot on the
range.

I have a WW1 issue British .303 Enfield rifle chambered in .22 single
shot for that same reason.

On Oct 10, 10:56*am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article om,
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On 10/10/2012 10:43 AM, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com, says....

On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos *at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment....
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The MIA guy is a weapons expert. Up until recently he thought the 226
Sig was the cat's meow. He now thinks the CZ75 is the finest pistol that
was ever made. What's your take on that?

I don't know what the "finest pistol" ever made is. SIG and CZ both make
fine-shooting, accurate pistols. Lots of European protective service
guys and military guys use CZs. What really matters with a good pistol
is the shooter's familarity and hours of practice. Without hours of
practice, you're not going to shoot well especially when it counts.

CZ does make a .45ACP I like. It's very much like the CZ75 but a little
larger. I've never fired one, but I'd sure like to take one out for a
spin at a range.

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

My dad had one. They are a great pistol, but like you said, unless you
know what the 'tricks' they are horrible to try to put back together.

On Oct 10, 12:24*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:56:27 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

If I were interested in a 22, though, I'd get a 22. I like these Mark
III's or the older Mark II's from Ruger:

http://www.ruger.com/products/markIIITarget/models.html

They're a bitch to break down completely for cleaning until you learn
a very simple trick. Then, they're easy.

===

Breaking down is fairly easy, putting it back together is what gives
people fits until they learn how to get the hammer and spring into the
right position.

In terms of speed and accuracy, a S&W 41 or an old Hi Standard
Supermatic will run circles around the Ruger III.

Finding a good Hi-Standard is hard to come by, Wayne. They've been out
of business for years, but they were a top quality arm.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:30:14 -0400, Meyer wrote:

On 10/10/2012 2:35 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:18:24 -0400, EmpacherFan
wrote:

The muzzle flip
with .40 S&W rounds is something to be taken seriously.

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You sound like quite an expert.

How is your old friend "Stumpy"?

I'll give it a few more days before I'd make that judgement. But you
could be right. Stumpy's friend has several tells. I'm waiting to see a few.

===

You can play with him if you want but I'll pass. Ask him if he'd
like to see a current picture of his old house in Jacksonville.

In article 0fbd714d-0101-4ac3-b0a5-da80addeaa79
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On Oct 10, 9:43*am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
@n7g2000pbj.googlegroups.com, says...











On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The .22 kits (from what I understand,) were used for training purposes
as far back as WW 1 to conserve bigger caliber ammunition. Same feel
and break down as the .45 ACP but a whole lot cheaper to shoot on the
range.

I have a WW1 issue British .303 Enfield rifle chambered in .22 single
shot for that same reason.


You are absolutely correct as far as it goes. The pistol feels the same
and breaks down the same, but it doesn't shoot the same. There's much
more recoil and muzzle flip from a .40 S&W round than a .22LR round in
the same semi-auto. Also consider that the .40 round weighs about five
times what the .22 round weighs. Ten rounds of .22 in a magazine is
going to weigh a lot less than 10 rounds of .40 in a magazine, and that
will change the balance of the weapon considerably.

Several posters have suggested the way to go is with a nice defensive
semi-auto and a separate and much less expensive .22 semi-auto. I agree.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:30:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Finding a good Hi-Standard is hard to come by, Wayne. They've been out
of business for years, but they were a top quality arm.

===

They're hard to beat for target practice and rim fire competition,
shooting every bit as well as a brand new S&W 41.

On Oct 10, 8:05*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:30:32 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Finding a good Hi-Standard is hard to come by, Wayne. They've been out
of business for years, but they were a top quality arm.

===

They're hard to beat for target practice and rim fire competition,
shooting every bit as well as a brand new S&W 41.

I'd love to have any one of these! But they demand a kings ransom to
buy one.

https://www.google.com/search?num=10....1.xovt-_i07rU

I'm not into .22 revolvers, but 30 yrs ago a friend of mine had a 9
shot .22 and I fell in love with it. pain to load if under time,
though.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 19:27:51 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

I'm not into .22 revolvers, but 30 yrs ago a friend of mine had a 9
shot .22 and I fell in love with it. pain to load if under time,
though.

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One of the guys I compete with has a 22 revolver. Using a speed
loader and ammo staging tray he is surprisingly fast on the reloads.