On Oct 10, 9:43*am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article c8d644c3-cbd3-4457-8d6e-aaf02ce3e028
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On Oct 10, 9:44 am, EmpacherFan wrote:
In article ,
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

snippage

Still thinking about the Sig Sauer P226. This one, with a conversion kit:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProdu...lassic-22.aspx

Good idea, huh?

I carry for work, but not a SIG, usually a Glock 22 or a 1911, plus
another handgun for backup. The Sig P226 is a nice pistol, though. I'm
not sure what you are trying to gain by fitting it with a 22 slide and
works. The recoil, muzzle flip and noise will be totally different
between the two rounds and at distance at a target, so will the impact of
gravity, so you won't be gaining the shooting skills you want with a 40,
45 or even a 9 round in a defense pistol by running 22s through it. I've
tried a few of these combos at the range. They were fun but shooting 22
rounds isn't going to help you become proficient firing larger rounds in
the same basic pistol.

Wow, you have all the perfect weapons, for the perfect environment...
You sound a lot like a recent MIA poster here who always had the
perfect tool for the job...

I'm a federal cop. The Glock was issued to me. I encounter a lot of
firearms. I don't think the 22 slide kits are anything more than a
gimmick. What's your point?

The .22 kits (from what I understand,) were used for training purposes
as far back as WW 1 to conserve bigger caliber ammunition. Same feel
and break down as the .45 ACP but a whole lot cheaper to shoot on the
range.

I have a WW1 issue British .303 Enfield rifle chambered in .22 single
shot for that same reason.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

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When I was a kid my grandmother always had an answer for this sort of
thing: "If you hadn't been there, it wouldn't have happened."

It's a tragic loss for Pettry's family and friends of course, but
let's put things in perspective. He was from out of town, drinking
in a local bar, looking for a good time, and probably flirting with
some other guy's wife.

There's no excuse for murder of course but if he hadn't been there it
wouldn't have happened.

jps wrote:
William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson “cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,” putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. “He resisted a little bit,”
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn’t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and “such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry’s wife,
Karen, posted that “I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I’m so mad, just don’t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.”
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson’s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.
Was it a German knife? If he had a gun, he could have saved his life and
saved the FL taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars to incarcerate
the idiot.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson “cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,” putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. “He resisted a little bit,”
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn’t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and “such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry’s wife,
Karen, posted that “I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I’m so mad, just don’t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.”
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson’s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults, battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior, kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults, battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior, kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Keep a pistol on top of the grandfather clock in the hallway.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults, battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior, kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.