On 10/9/2012 12:09 PM, jps wrote:
Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

Hoodies are optional.

Wandering the neighborhood in the rain. OK, but don't be pressing your
nose against car windows.

While black? Is that optional? I thought you either is or you isn't.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

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Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:59:02 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views.

Eisboch

When talking about jps, you could have stopped right there, and nailed it perfectly.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:09:40 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:



Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you

wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?



People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those

who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and

unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol

whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it

under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your

home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?

That's how most guns make it to the street.



The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,

mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and

unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the

recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.



Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility

at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.


And you call others racist? What a racist post you just made.

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry?s throat ?cold-bloodedly? after he talked to Hinson?s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson ?cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,? putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. ?He resisted a little bit,?
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn?t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and ?such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry?s wife,
Karen, posted that ?I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I?m so mad, just don?t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.?
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson?s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

What about easy access to knives, that is the problem in the article. If
you are going to be a gun-control-freak then you have to stick to the
narrative.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:26:55 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:07:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson “cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,” putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. “He resisted a little bit,”
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn’t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and “such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry’s wife,
Karen, posted that “I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I’m so mad, just don’t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.”
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson’s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

You are half right. It IS a mental health issue. Some people want to
be violent and they WILL obtain a weapon to kill or maim other people.
(Note the preoccupation in some cultures with Acid Attacks.)

It is ludicrous for you to reach Soooooooo far as to ascribe a knife
attack to guns, but it isn't surprising. What is easier to obtain, a
gun or a knife? Would Karen Pettry agree with you, or the CDC, or
anybody spouting anti-gun nonsense? Likely not. You see, a gun was not
necessary to take away her husband, her life, or her future from her.

You are an insensitive tool. You need to get a grip and focus you
attention on what is REALLY wrong.

And you owe Karen Pettry the most abject and penitent apology every
given by a kool-aid drinking, righteous, better than thou, jerk.

You REALLY crossed the line.

WTF are you talking about. Are you in touch with Karen and is she a
poster here?

Take your righteous bull**** and shove it.

On 10/9/2012 1:36 AM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:26:55 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:07:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson “cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,” putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. “He resisted a little bit,”
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn’t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and “such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry’s wife,
Karen, posted that “I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I’m so mad, just don’t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.”
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson’s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

You are half right. It IS a mental health issue. Some people want to
be violent and they WILL obtain a weapon to kill or maim other people.
(Note the preoccupation in some cultures with Acid Attacks.)

It is ludicrous for you to reach Soooooooo far as to ascribe a knife
attack to guns, but it isn't surprising. What is easier to obtain, a
gun or a knife? Would Karen Pettry agree with you, or the CDC, or
anybody spouting anti-gun nonsense? Likely not. You see, a gun was not
necessary to take away her husband, her life, or her future from her.

You are an insensitive tool. You need to get a grip and focus you
attention on what is REALLY wrong.

And you owe Karen Pettry the most abject and penitent apology every
given by a kool-aid drinking, righteous, better than thou, jerk.

You REALLY crossed the line.

WTF are you talking about. Are you in touch with Karen and is she a
poster here?

Take your righteous bull**** and shove it.

Uppa you Ass.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:20:26 AM UTC-4, Meyer wrote:
On 10/9/2012 1:36 AM, jps wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:26:55 -0400, wrote:



On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:07:51 -0700, jps wrote:



On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:



On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:





William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the

Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a

good time.



He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early

Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,

slashed Pettry�s throat �cold-bloodedly� after he talked to Hinson�s

wife.



Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.



Witnesses told police that Hinson �cut the victim and calmly walked

out of the establishment,� putting the knife in his pocket.



Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in

his truck, and he scuffled with officers. �He resisted a little bit,�

Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news

conference.



Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn�t say why he did

it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.



Pettry was a construction worker and �such a huge Bears fan.. ... He

never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his

cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.



In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry�s wife,

Karen, posted that �I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is

true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only

know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot

has taken his life. I�m so mad, just don�t understand why, very lost

right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if

tomorrow you will have that chance.�

Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted

hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"



Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to

Hinson�s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was

sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat

before walking out.



Yup we need better knife control here.



It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further

exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a

year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.



You are half right. It IS a mental health issue. Some people want to

be violent and they WILL obtain a weapon to kill or maim other people.

(Note the preoccupation in some cultures with Acid Attacks.)



It is ludicrous for you to reach Soooooooo far as to ascribe a knife

attack to guns, but it isn't surprising. What is easier to obtain, a

gun or a knife? Would Karen Pettry agree with you, or the CDC, or

anybody spouting anti-gun nonsense? Likely not. You see, a gun was not

necessary to take away her husband, her life, or her future from her.



You are an insensitive tool. You need to get a grip and focus you

attention on what is REALLY wrong.



And you owe Karen Pettry the most abject and penitent apology every

given by a kool-aid drinking, righteous, better than thou, jerk.



You REALLY crossed the line.



WTF are you talking about. Are you in touch with Karen and is she a

poster here?



Take your righteous bull**** and shove it.



Uppa you Ass.

jps must be insane. He certainly matches the definition.

On 10/9/2012 1:36 AM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:26:55 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:07:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

Pettry, 42, and a father of three, died at a nearby hospital.

Witnesses told police that Hinson “cut the victim and calmly walked
out of the establishment,” putting the knife in his pocket.

Police stopped Hinson before he pulled out of the bar parking lot in
his truck, and he scuffled with officers. “He resisted a little bit,”
Jacksonville County Police Lt. Rob Schoonover said at a Monday news
conference.

Police said Hinson admitted to the killing but wouldn’t say why he did
it. Police said the killing was not sports-related.

Pettry was a construction worker and “such a huge Bears fan. ... He
never got to go to the Bears game, he never got to enjoy it," his
cousin, Quincy Asbury Jr., told the Chicago Tribune.

In a Facebook post that has since been taken down, Pettry’s wife,
Karen, posted that “I'm so numb and I still can not believe it is
true. Today my husband William Christopher Pettry (Most of you only
know him by Chris) was taken from his family way too early. Some idiot
has taken his life. I’m so mad, just don’t understand why, very lost
right now. Please hug the ones you love because you never know if
tomorrow you will have that chance.”
Her profile featured a white construction van covered with painted
hand prints and the words "#1 Daddy We Love you!"

Police said that at the bar, Hinson saw Pettry and a friend talking to
Hinson’s wife and another woman. At one point, police said, Hinson was
sitting on a bench with Pettry, then stood up and cut his throat
before walking out.

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

You are half right. It IS a mental health issue. Some people want to
be violent and they WILL obtain a weapon to kill or maim other people.
(Note the preoccupation in some cultures with Acid Attacks.)

It is ludicrous for you to reach Soooooooo far as to ascribe a knife
attack to guns, but it isn't surprising. What is easier to obtain, a
gun or a knife? Would Karen Pettry agree with you, or the CDC, or
anybody spouting anti-gun nonsense? Likely not. You see, a gun was not
necessary to take away her husband, her life, or her future from her.

You are an insensitive tool. You need to get a grip and focus you
attention on what is REALLY wrong.

And you owe Karen Pettry the most abject and penitent apology every
given by a kool-aid drinking, righteous, better than thou, jerk.

You REALLY crossed the line.

WTF are you talking about. Are you in touch with Karen and is she a
poster here?

Take your righteous bull**** and shove it.


Talk about liberal spin and righteous bull****

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