On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

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Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults, battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior, kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

In article om,
says...

On 10/9/2012 11:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


Stupid is that guy from the far left uppa u ass. JPS.

Could you translate that to English please?

On 10/9/2012 12:09 PM, jps wrote:
Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

Hoodies are optional.

Wandering the neighborhood in the rain. OK, but don't be pressing your
nose against car windows.

While black? Is that optional? I thought you either is or you isn't.

On 10/9/2012 12:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 10/9/2012 11:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


Stupid is that guy from the far left uppa u ass. JPS.

Could you translate that to English please?


Sure. Just Plain Stupid

In article om,
says...

On 10/9/2012 12:18 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article om,
says...

On 10/9/2012 11:12 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


Stupid is that guy from the far left uppa u ass. JPS.

Could you translate that to English please?


Sure. Just Plain Stupid

You're not making any sense, are you on medication?

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


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Probably true though. When I was in Alaska a few years ago, I was told by
an Alaskan that the state was a very civil place. With the amount of
firearms that were possessed and most people carried, that you just did not
get in fights. In the Old West days, the most dangerous area was NYC.
There were places near the waterfront where the cops never went as it was
too dangerous. Other than a few border towns in the west, it was pretty
quiet crime wise. Bad guys did not live long prosperous lives. Someone
ambushed them.

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

He never made it to the football game. His life ended at a bar early
Sunday when police said a Jacksonville man, Matthew Hinson, 27,
slashed Pettry’s throat “cold-bloodedly” after he talked to Hinson’s
wife.

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When I was a kid my grandmother always had an answer for this sort of
thing: "If you hadn't been there, it wouldn't have happened."

It's a tragic loss for Pettry's family and friends of course, but
let's put things in perspective. He was from out of town, drinking
in a local bar, looking for a good time, and probably flirting with
some other guy's wife.

There's no excuse for murder of course but if he hadn't been there it
wouldn't have happened.

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


------------------------------------------
Probably true though. When I was in Alaska a few years ago, I was told by
an Alaskan that the state was a very civil place. With the amount of
firearms that were possessed and most people carried, that you just did not
get in fights. In the Old West days, the most dangerous area was NYC.
There were places near the waterfront where the cops never went as it was
too dangerous. Other than a few border towns in the west, it was pretty
quiet crime wise. Bad guys did not live long prosperous lives. Someone
ambushed them.

Show me data that says that more guns means less crime.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:45:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


------------------------------------------
Probably true though. When I was in Alaska a few years ago, I was told by
an Alaskan that the state was a very civil place. With the amount of
firearms that were possessed and most people carried, that you just did not
get in fights. In the Old West days, the most dangerous area was NYC.
There were places near the waterfront where the cops never went as it was
too dangerous. Other than a few border towns in the west, it was pretty
quiet crime wise. Bad guys did not live long prosperous lives. Someone
ambushed them.

Show me data that says that more guns means less crime.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...uns-less-crime
www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_106057.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ns-less-crime/
http://prevarication.net/2010/05/200...ns-less-crime/

Do you need more?

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 14:45:21 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article , says...

On 10/9/2012 10:31 AM, Eisboch wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009.

===

That's an incredibly high number. Everyone should be entitled to
defend themselves or their family.

==============

With 3D printing becoming of age, wait until things like this start
hitting the streets. No records, no history, no gun control.

http://www.3ders.org/articles/201207...st-firing.html




Now, that's scarey... Guess it's time to arm up my family.

Yeah, more guns means less gun crimes.... that's stupid.


------------------------------------------
Probably true though. When I was in Alaska a few years ago, I was told by
an Alaskan that the state was a very civil place. With the amount of
firearms that were possessed and most people carried, that you just did not
get in fights. In the Old West days, the most dangerous area was NYC.
There were places near the waterfront where the cops never went as it was
too dangerous. Other than a few border towns in the west, it was pretty
quiet crime wise. Bad guys did not live long prosperous lives. Someone
ambushed them.

Show me data that says that more guns means less crime.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate...uns-less-crime

The above has NOTHING but opinion and not an ounce of data.

www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Nowhere in this article does it show that rates are down because of MORE
GUNS

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_106057.html

Again, NO DATA showing that more guns means less crime.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime

Nowhere in this article does it give data showing that more guns equals
less crime.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ns-less-crime/

403 forebidden.
http://prevarication.net/2010/05/200...ns-less-crime/

There is nothing in this article that ties the two statistics (guns
bought and crime rate).

Do you need more?

Yes, I want data that proves that more guns means less crime.