On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults, battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior, kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

On 10/9/2012 12:09 PM, jps wrote:
Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

Hoodies are optional.

Wandering the neighborhood in the rain. OK, but don't be pressing your
nose against car windows.

While black? Is that optional? I thought you either is or you isn't.

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:59:02 PM UTC-4, Eisboch wrote:

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views.

Eisboch

When talking about jps, you could have stopped right there, and nailed it perfectly.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"jps" wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:


William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.


(rest of story snipped)


Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of—or threat to use—a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.

On Oct 11, 2:10*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" *wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" *wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

(rest of story snipped)

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. *But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. *The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... *there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA *in 2009. *"Aggravated assault" *is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of or threat to use a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. *I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. *But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... *I *have often thought about
"what would I do if" *type scenarios. * News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) *do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. * To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) *for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? *Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. *Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? *Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. *Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. *Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? *Disgruntled employees? *Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. *You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. * We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. *I am realistic. *My state (MA) *has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. *The standard *"For all lawful purposes" *does not apply here
anymore. *You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. *The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of *goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. *No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" *floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" *(mainly
because I don't have any). * * I thought you were brighter and more
mature. *Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. *I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. *The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. *I was wrong.

You post that foolishness because that's really all you want to see.

We're still waiting to hear your solution to these shooting problems.
but you stay silent.

Talk about narrow minded.

On 10/11/2012 5:30 AM, Tim wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:10 am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 05:19:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:04:45 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 17:41:30 -0700, jps wrote:

William Pettry had flown from Milwaukee to Jacksonville, Fla., for
the
Bears game against the Jaguars with his best friend, looking for a
good time.

(rest of story snipped)

Yup we need better knife control here.

It's not a weapons problem, it's a mental health problem further
exacerbated by easy access to guns. But I guess 10,000 gun deaths a
year is an acceptable figure to you. The CDC doesn't agree with you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Be it mental health, drugs or whatever .... there were 806,843
aggravated assaults in the USA in 2009. "Aggravated assault" is
defined as the unlawful attack by one person upon another for the
purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury and
involves
the display of or threat to use a gun, knife, or other weapon.

26.9 percent were committed with hands, fists, and feet; 20.9 percent
were committed with firearms; and 18.7 percent were committed with
knives or cutting instruments. The remaining 33.5 percent of
aggravated assaults were committed with other weapons.

Note that the 806,843 number does not include simple assaults,
battery
or break-ins. I suspect the inclusion of those would triple or
quadruple the number.

When I was a younger man with children in the house I never wanted
firearms in our house. But now as a "young", 63 year old senior,
kids
gone and it's just my wife and I ... I have often thought about
"what would I do if" type scenarios. News reports of assaults
(including the many that you like to repeat here in this newsgroup in
your anti-gun crusade) do nothing to convince me to become an
anti-gun advocate. To the contrary, they reinforced my decision to
get the necessary permits to own and carry a firearm (when
appropriate) for personal defense and for that of my wife.

To *me*, not doing so is irresponsible.

Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you
wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?

People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those
who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and
unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol
whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it
under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your
home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?
That's how most guns make it to the street.

The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,
mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and
unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the
recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.

Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility
at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.

-----------------------------------------

I have to admit. You live in a strange world.

First of all, we do not live in a gated community. We *did* during
the winter months in Florida for three winters, but we sold that
property back in 2004 and no longer winter there.

No, I am not paranoid. I am realistic. My state (MA) has some of,
if not *the* toughest gun control laws in the nation that have been
further modified and updated to be even more restrictive in recent
years. The standard "For all lawful purposes" does not apply here
anymore. You must have specific reasons to be issued a LTC class "A"
license. The police departments (town and state) have determined that
I have sufficient specific reasons.
For purposes of responding to you, that's all the information you
need.

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.

You post that foolishness because that's really all you want to see.

We're still waiting to hear your solution to these shooting problems.
but you stay silent.

Talk about narrow minded.

Liberals are more often the problem, not the solution.

On 10/11/2012 3:10 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.


Home invasions are de rigueue among the low life, and the O'bama
introduced, homeless and broke crowd. In the case of the latter, it's
the poor folks who have lost all HOPE, pride and dignity who would be
desperate enough to take such measures.
The lunatics you speak of are products of their environment. They
finally realized that HOPE and CHANGE were all lies and bull****.

If you cared about your family, you'd teach them to protect themselves
instead of taking them to gay pride rallies and parades, "in order to
broaden their horizons".
BTW: Wanna bet your kids will grow up to be racists just like you?

In article om,
says...

On 10/11/2012 3:10 AM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:58:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

The bulk of your post is a bunch of goofy gibberish, typical of the
ultra-left who spray lies and oblique innuendos, including the race
card, hoping something will stick to support their ultra-liberal
views. No, jps, I do not have visions of "giant black men" floating
in my head nor am I concerned with "disgruntled employees" (mainly
because I don't have any). I thought you were brighter and more
mature. Guess I was wrong.

Eisboch

Anyone who says that my post do more to convince them to get a gun has
some strange ideas rolling around in their head. I post about
lunatics who go off in pubic or take out their own families. The
number of home invasion robberies are so few, that the potential for
anything to touch you or your immediate family are ridiculously low.

I thought you were more circumspect and thoughtful. I was wrong.


Home invasions are de rigueue among the low life, and the O'bama
introduced, homeless and broke crowd. In the case of the latter, it's
the poor folks who have lost all HOPE, pride and dignity who would be
desperate enough to take such measures.
The lunatics you speak of are products of their environment. They
finally realized that HOPE and CHANGE were all lies and bull****.

If you cared about your family, you'd teach them to protect themselves
instead of taking them to gay pride rallies and parades, "in order to
broaden their horizons".
BTW: Wanna bet your kids will grow up to be racists just like you?

Gee, how bigoted can you get? Scotty's broke and doesn't have a job, are
home invasions the "de rigueue" for him?

On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:09:40 PM UTC-4, jps wrote:



Because your gated community is so very often under attack? Do you

wear hoodies while black and wander the neighborhood?



People are driven to paranoia by the news but it's more often those

who have guns that become the victims. Gonna go to your safe and

unlock it when the giant black men burst through your door to pistol

whip you and take your wife's precious jewelry? Or will you keep it

under your bed or in your nightstand for when someone comes into your

home when you're not there to steal your stuff and find your gun?

That's how most guns make it to the street.



The people I worry about are the crazy assholes in movie theaters,

mcdonalds, malls and such that get a hold of caches of weapons and

unleash their frustrations against whomever in a random event. Or the

recently fired employee who has no life outside of work.



Just like this guy who killed his workmates. Got a lot of hostility

at the Music Shoppe? Disgruntled employees? Better get a gun.


And you call others racist? What a racist post you just made.