Yo Tim!
 

On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:

Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,

but no answer.





CZ 97B if you are man enough.



I've qualified with the M1911A1 about a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?

How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?

I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. Very accurate. The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.

I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. I'll load them back up with something better. Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.

Yo Tim!
 

On Jul 29, 2:58*pm, wrote:
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:

Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,

but no answer.

CZ 97B if you are man enough.

I've qualified with the M1911A1 about *a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?

How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?

I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. *One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. *Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. *Very accurate. *The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. *This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! *He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. *I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.

I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. *I'll load them back up with something better. *Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! *The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.

hey, I've got a hungarian police pistol in 9mm mak.

http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts...75iwocvzv1.jpg

nicely made little gun, but thee trigger pull is horrendous. It seem
they're all that way, that is unless you have a smitty ' doctor' them
for you.

Enjoy the time you have with your dad.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:45:05 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
On Jul 29, 2:58*pm, wrote:

On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:



Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,



but no answer.



CZ 97B if you are man enough.



I've qualified with the M1911A1 about *a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?



How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?



I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. *One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. *Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. *Very accurate. *The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. *This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! *He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. *I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.



I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. *I'll load them back up with something better. *Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! *The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.



hey, I've got a hungarian police pistol in 9mm mak.



http://cdn.armslist.com/images/posts...75iwocvzv1.jpg



nicely made little gun, but thee trigger pull is horrendous. It seem

they're all that way, that is unless you have a smitty ' doctor' them

for you.



Enjoy the time you have with your dad.

I bought two CZ-82's in the 9x18 Mak caliber. Great little semi, 12+1 config, good for knock-around general purpose use. Russian ball ammo is cheap but dirty, just have to spend a few more minutes cleaning them after use.

Dad's on a walker and still living alone (lost Mom last year), but he's doing OK all things considered, and with us kids pitching in. Little things like going to the range means a lot at this point. Thanks.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jul 29, 1:56*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 7/29/12 2:46 PM, John H. wrote:









On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 13:34:28 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:32:38 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 7/29/12 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:42:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Surprised you don't know this, since you "qualified" with a pistol
"about a dozen times." What was your qualification about? Didn't it
include safe handling?

The side arm was never much of a priority in most military training.
Your regular soldier was not going to get one anyway. They were just
for people who would not usually have a rifle.

If you are an MP or SP you should get extra training and I assume
officers get some training but from my experience the officer's
training is somewhat superficial too.
I was in ordinance, working for a CPO who was on the USCG pistol team
for a while so we all got more than the usual pistol training. I
sought out as much as I could get and actually got a lot of range
time. I also wanted to know how to maintain everything in the armory.

I would have thought that proper "safety training" would have been a
priority. When I took my training, I spent the first few hours in class
with an instructor who showed us a safety video or two, and then spent
the rest of the time showing us how to handle the firearm, how to field
strip it, how to unjam it, how to remove stovepipes, how to store it, et
cetera. We didn't even get to the range until halfway through the second
lesson.

The safety training is more range safety than anything else from what
I saw and unless you actually get tactical training, you will not get
formal training in clearing jams and such. Fortunately a hardball .45
doesn't really jam that much.
Guys who get issued a sidearm that they are expected to use (guards,
SPs and MPs) will get better training.
The officers I knew did not really know much about the pistol and they
really didn't have one unless they were in combat. We only had 6 or 7
on the ships I was on and the captain was the only one who had one out
of the armory.
As I said, side arms were really not a priority back in the olden
days. Your average GI did not get a lot of pistol training, nor did
they actually get a pistol.
The basic safety rules are going to be the same as the service rifle
so they do get trained somewhat if you are army/marines.
The Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard are less likely to actually train
everyone on small arms in any meaningful way. *It is a need to know
skill. These days I imagine the drug war has increased the need to
know for the coasties.

Harry keeps looking for the negative spin. What you've said above is basically accurate. The
military, except for certain specialties, doesn't issue concealed carry permits. For most, the
firing is done on the range or in a combat situation.

Actually, I thought "qualification" included safety training. And why
would you need a conceal carry permit for a handgun carried visibly at
your side on a belt holster?

Harry, unless one is desirous to do some serious brig time. no one
(with exception of authorized security personnel) walks around a
military bass with a side arm strapped to their belt.

The military does have folks who operate 'under cover', i.e., out of uniform. Their sidearms are
carried, but not visibly. DIA, NCIS, and CID are some I can think of off the bat.

Yo Tim!
 

On 7/30/12 2:24 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:53:11 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:

Never heard of "conditions".

I have only heard it applied to the 1911 pistol.
Maybe it is only ordinance people. There is a whole culture that came
up around the 1911 tho. It is one of the few weapons that has survived
in service for over 100 years with only minor changes



The terms have come up in several of the firearms training classes I
have taken, some of which were based upon Jeff Cooper's teaching and
writings. Perhaps you haven't taken any formal, modern firearms training
courses.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:53:11 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"John H." wrote in message
.. .

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:00:26 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 07:07:00 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 02:07:54 -0400, wrote:


I am surprised they are going with the SA 1911. The only way it is
useful in combat is in condition 1.

OK, Gregg, I'll bite....What is 'condition 1'?

I thought you were an army guy

"Cocked and locked" (round in the chamber, hammer back, safety on)

In all of the years that I worked around military security, the only
time I saw a "condition 1" .45 was at NSA and that marine puts his
finger in your belt loop.
Most of the time they are condition 4, (empty gun). A guy who is good
can load and get off an aimed shot in less than 2 seconds but that
will be from a magazine in his hip pocket or waist band, not that
pouch on his belt..

On the firing range, it's 'locked and loaded'. Off the firing range,
it's whatever you need it to be
depending on the situation.

We never really discussed 'conditions' for the status of a weapon.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Many years ago, in a different time and place, I was "qualified" in
both small
arms (a military 45) and in the operation of a Browning Automatic
Rifle (BAR).
My qualification on the BAR consisted of about two hours of
instruction by a
Navy Gunner's Mate.

Never heard of "conditions".

Somehow we got by without them.

Yo Tim!
 

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:

Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,

but no answer.





CZ 97B if you are man enough.



I've qualified with the M1911A1 about a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?

How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?

I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. Very accurate. The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.

I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. I'll load them back up with something better. Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.

My brother's trying to talk me out of the Colt .45 idea and into a Browning Hi Power 9mm. He's got
me thinking about it, that's for sure - especially when the cost of ammo comes up. How much would it
take to get started in the reloading process?

Yo Tim!
 

On 7/30/12 7:15 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:



On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:

Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,

but no answer.





CZ 97B if you are man enough.



I've qualified with the M1911A1 about a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?

How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?

I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. Very accurate. The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.

I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. I'll load them back up with something better. Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.

My brother's trying to talk me out of the Colt .45 idea and into a Browning Hi Power 9mm. He's got
me thinking about it, that's for sure - especially when the cost of ammo comes up. How much would it
take to get started in the reloading process?



Good quality, fresh target ammo in 9mm is about 20 cents a round, about
half the price of .45ACP. The boys down at Gander Mountain in
Fredericksburg can fix you up for reloading. Seems a waste, though, when
ammo is 20 cents a round.

Yo Tim!
 

On Monday, July 30, 2012 7:15:54 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:







On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:



Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,



but no answer.











CZ 97B if you are man enough.







I've qualified with the M1911A1 about a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?



How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?



I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. Very accurate. The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.



I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. I'll load them back up with something better. Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.



My brother's trying to talk me out of the Colt .45 idea and into a Browning Hi Power 9mm. He's got

me thinking about it, that's for sure - especially when the cost of ammo comes up. How much would it

take to get started in the reloading process?

Getting setup to reload is $300-400. A quick seach at Cabelas returned this starter kit:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/RCBS-...h-All+Products

If that link is broken, just go their site and do a search. Reloading isn't difficult, you just have to make sure you pay attention to the details. There are "cookbooks" that tell you how much powder to use with what primer and bullet. You can tweak it a little from there.

When loading for accuacy, Dad would load 5 each at different amounts of powder (tiny changes), then we'd take them out to the range to pattern them. Find the best ones, then load up 50 or so just like them.

Yo Tim!
 

On Jul 30, 6:15*am, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:06:15 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:25:25 -0400, X ` Man wrote:

On 7/22/12 3:18 PM, John H. wrote:

Did you and your buddy ever come up with a suggestion of the .45 I'm going to buy? Tried to call,

but no answer.

CZ 97B if you are man enough.

I've qualified with the M1911A1 about *a dozen times. You reckon the CZ 97B requires more of a man?

How many times have you qualified with a .45, Harry?

I'm taking my 85 year old dad to the shooting range next week to shoot some pistols. *One we'll take is a 1911 that he hand built. *Match grade barrel, adjustable trigger, etc. *Very accurate. *The military grade ones are puposefully set up "loose", they rattle when you shake them, but it's on purpose so they don't jam with a grain of sand. *This one is tight and more accurate, and is sweet! *He's been promising it to me for years, but I'm in no hurry for it. *I hope he gets to shoot for sor many more years before it passes to me.

I've been reloading some lately, and need to burn through some .38's that are reloads I don't like. *I'll load them back up with something better.. *Reloading make the .45 much more reasonable to shoot at the range as well! *The 9mm Makarov is super cheap when you buy in 500 round quantities, and good for plinking.

My brother's trying to talk me out of the Colt .45 idea and into a Browning Hi Power 9mm. He's got
me thinking about it, that's for sure - especially when the cost of ammo comes up. How much would it
take to get started in the reloading process?

more than you really want to invest,. John. If a guy's gonna go out ad
burn up a few hundred rounds at the range, then re-loading is a good
option. But otherwise, if you're just going to have a side arm (or
rifle) around and not planning on using it unless need be, then it's
not worth the set up etc.

My .357, 44 mag etc. I dont' go through a box of 20 a year. I figure I
know how to aim and shoot them . Why burn up brass for the heck of it?