On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

Funny... I have many friends, and I don't know what any of them earn. Well, except one, and he's been a friend since childhood.

Talking about such things just isn't polite, and not done in polite company.

Somthing smells about your claim to know what 'dozens and dozens' of people earn.

On 6/18/12 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

Funny... I have many friends, and I don't know what any of them earn. Well, except one, and he's been a friend since childhood.

Talking about such things just isn't polite, and not done in polite company.

Somthing smells about your claim to know what 'dozens and dozens' of people earn.


We're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy. People in the big cities talk
salaries and incomes. My academic buddies are always comparing what
their various institutions pay.

Salaries are pretty well known in big city ad businesses.

Psychotherapists talk shop, including reimbursement policies from
insurance companies, costs of handling paperwork, income, et cetera.

The salary of my now retired Notre Dame friend was published.

What smells, really smells, is your socially backwards state of South
Carolina.

On 6/18/2012 4:21 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 18, 2012 3:49:33 PM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/18/12 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:30:58 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On the other hand, I know plenty of liberal arts grads who are pulling
down six figure incomes at jobs with pretty decent benefits, and who
weren't trained by the navy.

Doing what?



I have friends who are professors at several local universities who are
earning six figure salaries, and they are all liberal arts grads.

Most of my advertising, PR and marketing colleagues earn substantial six
figure salaries and bonuses.

We know at least a dozen psychotherapists who earn more than $100,000 a
year.

The highest salaried guy I know as a close friend, a recent retiree,
earned more than $500,000 a year at his job. He's a lit and history grad
of the University of Notre Dame.

I know dozens and dozens of liberal arts grads earning well over
$100,000 a year. As far as I know, none were trained by the Navy.

Funny... I have many friends, and I don't know what any of them earn. Well, except one, and he's been a friend since childhood.

Talking about such things just isn't polite, and not done in polite company.

Somthing smells about your claim to know what 'dozens and dozens' of people earn.


It's obviously a harrytale..

In article ,
says...


Funny... I have many friends, and I don't know what any of them earn. Well, except one, and he's been a friend since childhood.

Talking about such things just isn't polite, and not done in polite company.

Somthing smells about your claim to know what 'dozens and dozens' of people earn.

You must only talk about such things in "quiet rooms."
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01...iet-rooms.html

I've always known within maybe 10-20 percent what friends earn.
Workmates within 10 percent or less, sometimes exactly.
It's part of normal human interactions for approximate earnings to be
revealed.
Some of it is generally public knowledge.
And it's a means of helping and protecting one another in life and
career.
That doesn't apply for fat cats, who aren't normal.
Thinking that a normal person would "envy" him, shows that Romney
doesn't understand normal people. Only people of his ilk would envy him.
Reveals he is envious of those with more lucre than him.
Pretty sad, really, to live like that.
I see some of that same quality in Krause, always talking about wealth.
Many people have wised up, though.
I saw a woman participating in C-Span forum put that succinctly when she
said understanding "derivatives" is simple, not complicated as it's made
out to be.
The simple definition of derivatives is "How a bunch of rich guys stole
your money."
That's what's important to know. Who is stealing from you.
You can stay in the dark, in a quiet room if you choose. Free country.

In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed..
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.

On 6/19/12 11:27 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 11:21:27 AM UTC-4, X ` Man wrote:
On 6/19/12 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.



Crikey, are you a naive asshole or what?

This is how real business works, harry. You don't know anything about that, having sucked the union's teat for so long.



Bull****.

On 6/19/2012 11:17 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:45:24 AM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:
In ,
says...


Knowing what everyone else makes is a union/government thing. Most
corporations have a confidentiality policy on salaries but they are
also merit based companies not simply time in grade,.

Your view is noted and rejected. Sounds like a culture issue.
I spent decades in salaried/bonused private enterprise.
As I said, I always knew ballpark what others were earning.
If you're competent and competitive, you wouldn't want it otherwise.
People talk. You can choose to not inquire, and keep your ears closed.
Best to know the market price of your abilities/products.
"Quiet rooms" never was my style.
Runs counter to keeping others' hands off my wallet.

I call BS. While I agree that it is a cultural thing to not discuss this among friends and relatives locally, I know it is officially discouraged at the company I work for. Just for fun I polled some friends who work at large companies in big cities... without an exception, they say that they are officially not allowed to discuss salary or bonus structure with peers, and doing so can, and has, led to dismissal. The only people they are allowed to discuss this with is their direct leader and HR. They know their direct report's salaries, of course, as they are involved with reviewing them and adjusting their compensation.

When you get to the level Harry's sweetheart is, they publish her salary
on the internet. Talk about invasion of privacy.