On Thu, 24 May 2012 20:01:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

I think you are supposed to worry about storing propane anywhere that
it could pool in the bilge.
I would store them on deck, in a well ventilated area.

I didn't think you could even go through a tunnel with a propane tank,
on or off. They must have loosened up on that.

Maybe enough RV'ers have complained about it. As to your assertion that propane would pool in the
bilge, you are correct - if it leaked. But gas would do the same thing, no?

Anyway, to check your assertion I went here. Very informative. Some funny responses!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8161408AAIFFKl

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

On May 26, 7:04*am, John H. wrote:

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

Way too expensive. Not only in modification, but also in fuel
economy. And where are you going to find LP out on the road?

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 05:25:53 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On May 26, 7:04*am, John H. wrote:

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

Way too expensive. Not only in modification, but also in fuel
economy. And where are you going to find LP out on the road?

Probably too expensive, by far, but some of the big guys are going
dual fuel (diesel/LNG) to address that concern until the
infrastructure catches up.

The time to refuel a Diesel or LNG vehicle on the side of the road is a
lot shorter than trying to "refuel" a battery powered truck.

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John H.
wrote:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

===

It's important to remember that one reason for the high price of
diesel is high road taxes, imposed largely because of trucks. If
large numbers of trucks end up converting to LNG it is only a matter
of time before taxation catches up.

On Sat, 26 May 2012 12:19:35 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John H.
wrote:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

===

It's important to remember that one reason for the high price of
diesel is high road taxes, imposed largely because of trucks. If
large numbers of trucks end up converting to LNG it is only a matter
of time before taxation catches up.

Especially given ... oh, never mind.

Yup, you're most likely right.

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400, JustWait wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

Why the ****? This was a pretty decent thread.

On 5/26/2012 8:52 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:34:10 -0400,
wrote:

On 5/26/2012 8:20 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 26 May 2012 08:04:01 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:45:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:36:41 -0400, John
wrote:

On Sat, 26 May 2012 07:03:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:50:22 -0400, John
wrote:

On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:22:37 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 22 May 2012 23:32:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

http://www.golehr.com/

It would certainly eliminate the ethanol/bad fuel problems.

Where onboard does one safely store the propane?

Why not where the gasoline is stored now? Different tank, of course. I've got four 20lb'ers on my
trailer. Doesn't seem to cause anyone a problem until I go under the tunnel at Norfolf or Baltimore.
Then I just have to turn them off.

John, management of LP gas is a well known problem, on boats.

http://www.boattest.com/resources/vi...spx?NewsID=502

I am always in the learning mode. That's why the question mark.

But the article indicates that proper procedures for handling the stuff are well known. The article
answers the original question.

Thanks.

I guess another point to be made is that smaller boats may not have
any room to install an LP locker. (At least, I can't figure out
where.) I'd really like to join the LP/LNG rush, but I don't think I
have room on any of my boats to accommodate the locker.

I'll throw a question back at you, since you are a diesel owner. Do
you expect the price of diesel to drop dramatically as 18-wheelers
convert to LNG? We may soon be addressing the return of diesel
outboards and alternative highway fuels for those boat and RV haulers.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...910235090.html

I hadn't seen that article. Since refineries can adjust output of different products, I wouldn't
expect the price of diesel to fluctuate any more than the price of gasoline. If the LNG rush catches
on big time, I'd expect the demand for both diesel and gasoline to go down, along with the prices. I
liked this line:

"But today, truck manufacturers are embracing natural gas for everything from bi-fuel pickup trucks
like the Chevy Silverado HD to eighteen-wheelers that can burn natural gas either compressed, called
CNG, or super-chilled, called LNG."

Wonder how much it would cost me to get my pickup converted to 'bi-fuel'.

I wonder....if diesel outboards become popular, will Karen from down-under come back to the group?

I hope not with that butt ugly diesel in a box contraption
she/he/whatever showed us.

Hey harry, can you limit the posts to two or three sock puppets? Thanks...

I don't mind: I can be your Harry if you aren't getting enough
attention.

Oh gee, you are just too clever for me harry...