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On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 07:34:20 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote:


I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

The problem with the whole situation is that Zimmerman never should have
gotten out of his vehicle. Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman killed
Martin. Zimmerman can't have it both ways, initiating the pursuit and
then retreating from the pursuit and then use that retreat as stand your
ground justification. Zimmerman should be in jail.

Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

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Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.


The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.


Of course he says that. And you believe him.

On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:10:47 -0400, X ` Man
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On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

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Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.


The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.


Of course he says that. And you believe him.


The Sanford Police believe him and a few of us are still willing to
wait to see if the FBI believes him.

It is the people who have already made up their mind that he chased
Martin down and shot him (some even believe, in the back) who are
doing the lynching.

Nobody Believes Martin was shot in the back, but bigots and racists will
say it anyway because it suits their agenda. The hypocrisy is in their
willingness to take away a citizens rights in the name of someone elses...


People on the left came to this story with the same kind of prejudice
that was common 60 years ago in Mississippi when a black man killed a
white man.

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On 3/26/2012 10:28 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:10:47 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 9:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 18:31:51 -0400, wrote:

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Watching someone from your truck is not pursuit, it is watching.
If it turns out Martin approached the truck, he was the pursuer.

When Zimmerman got out of his truck he initiated pursuit. Zimmerman
could have driven away and let the police handle the situation.
Zimmerman escalated the situation which resulted in Martin's death.

Zimmerman says he never approached or pursued Martin, he got out of
the truck to read a road sign.

You can't fault a teenager for looking into a car, it is what they do.

When you have had dozens of car burglaries, that is suspicious.


The transcript from the gir;lfriend seems to support that. The initial
contact was Martin confronting Zimmerman in that call.

You mean Martin confronted a man who got of his car and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman is the adult in this whole situation and he should have shown
better judgment.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman ever approached Martin. It appears
the opposite is true.
He says he was jumped from behind.


Of course he says that. And you believe him.


The Sanford Police believe him and a few of us are still willing to
wait to see if the FBI believes him.

It is the people who have already made up their mind that he chased
Martin down and shot him (some even believe, in the back) who are
doing the lynching.

Nobody Believes Martin was shot in the back, but bigots and racists will
say it anyway because it suits their agenda. The hypocrisy is in their
willingness to take away a citizens rights in the name of someone elses...


Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
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That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don’t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
.
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don?t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Here, idiot:

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:45:13 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

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says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 11:34:11 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,
.
That is the same thing that Kevin guy used to do!

Maybe there's no difference between, "We don?t need you to do that," and, "Stay in your car!"

Here, idiot:

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said


How do you know?

At least you're not putting words in the cop's mouth any more.

There used to be a guy here named Kevin who did the same stupid ****. He was a name-caller also.

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

Go ahead and apologize for making up a story about what the police said,. Quoting something you read
somewhere does not make your statement true.

In article ,
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On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 12:22:54 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:27:17 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

Citizens rights include not following the orders of Law Enforcement? He
was told to stay in his car.

When? You are just making **** up now.,

"It's irrelevant to what happened on Feb. 26, does not change material
facts of the situation, specifically that had George Zimmerman not left
his vehicle and heeded the police dispatcher's guidance, we wouldn't be
here today," Julison said

I'll expect an apology.

Go ahead and apologize for making up a story about what the police said,. Quoting something you read
somewhere does not make your statement true.

**** you, Asshole.