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says... On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote: I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without hearing a word of testimony from the defendant. If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there. The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat. Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said. You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. There is nothing wrong with the stand your ground law. Ther is something wrong with Zimmerman. |
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 23:54:24 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, jps wrote: I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without hearing a word of testimony from the defendant. If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there. The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's story. I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat. Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said. You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. There is nothing wrong with the stand your ground law. Ther is something wrong with Zimmerman. I agree. |
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On 3/26/2012 12:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend. The "stand your ground" law in Florida is nothing more than a payoff to the NRA, and it leads to homicides in which it is difficult if not impossible to prosecute the perpetrators. There is no need for stand your ground laws. If someone breaks into your house, you can shoot him in Florida. If you can fog a mirror, you can get a carry permit in Florida. If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. It's a stupid law and it needs to be trashed. If we had such a law up here and a loud-mouthed troublemaker like one of our short posters here walked into my hard, I could shoot and kill him and claim I felt threatened, no matter whether I felt that way or not, even if he were "armed" with nothing more than a can of soda and a bag of chips. That's not the way a civilized society is supposed to be. If someone gains entry to your house by breaking in, Are you going to shoot him? A simple yes or no will do. -- http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db |
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On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:40:07 -0400, X ` Man
wrote: On 3/26/12 2:25 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:08:31 -0400, wrote: If someone gains entry to your house by breaking in, Are you going to shoot him? A simple yes or no will do. A more relevant question is if Harry got out of his car to get a better look at a street sign in the rain and some 17 year old jumped him because the kid didn't like the way Harry was looking at him, would Harry shoot? I've been getting out of cars in the rain in bad neighborhoods for more than 40 years. So far, no one has "jumped" me, so it isn't something about which I worry. You're not paranoid. You have no idea how paranoid whities feel. |
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On 3/26/2012 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote: You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling. The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red shirt Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for officers to arrive. He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or even we don't "want" you to do that. Stand your ground will not be a successful defense and will get overturned in your state legislature. Bad, stupid law. If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was trying to get back in his truck. (retreating) That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says. We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story. That is not justice. It is a lynching Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend. Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman, If you are seriously threatened on the street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending yourself. What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground case at all. The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not death)" Zimmerman sustained bodily harm. How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are consistent with that story. Witness says White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and getting pummeled Evidence shows Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose. Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call. I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric. It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we know now. Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him? Was his hoodie dirty? What was the bullet trajectory? Are there any more witnesses or even a video? At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far. I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is what it would be. Great level headed write up Greg... |
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