On 3/26/2012 9:17 AM, North Star wrote:
On Mar 25, 10:48 pm, Wayne wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 15:38:11 -0700 (PDT), North Star

wrote:
When you see the likes of some of this groups Florida residents,
nothing surprises me.

===

Don, several of my neighbors are Canadians. They all seem to be
fairly happy here in Florida and they get to go boating all winter
long.

What's not to like?

Lucky you........ You could be living next door to someone like
'Oscar' rather than agreeable Canadians. ;-)

Oscar is agreeable. And yes, those young Canadian wimmins he had
encounters with were most agreeable.

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On 3/26/2012 7:34 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:12:08 -0700, wrote:


I think there are a lot of people who are lynching this guy without
hearing a word of testimony from the defendant.
If that is justice in the other 49 states, stay there.

The fact remains that a spokesman for the Sanford Police has said none
of the "revelations" we have heard are inconsistent with Zimmerman's
story.

I am going to wait for the FBI report. That is why they are there, but
if what Plouffe said on MTP this morning is an indication, Martin may
have been the attacker and Zimmerman may have been trying to retreat.
Will you feel the same way if it is determined that Zimmerman was on
his back on the ground with Martin pummeling him when the shot was
fired. That is also consistent with what the witnesses have said.

The problem with the whole situation is that Zimmerman never should have
gotten out of his vehicle. Zimmerman pursued Martin, Zimmerman killed
Martin. Zimmerman can't have it both ways, initiating the pursuit and
then retreating from the pursuit and then use that retreat as stand your
ground justification. Zimmerman should be in jail.


Agreed...

On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching



Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft
drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that
the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to
date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend.

The "stand your ground" law in Florida is nothing more than a payoff to
the NRA, and it leads to homicides in which it is difficult if not
impossible to prosecute the perpetrators.

There is no need for stand your ground laws. If someone breaks into your
house, you can shoot him in Florida. If you can fog a mirror, you can
get a carry permit in Florida. If you are seriously threatened on the
street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending
yourself.

It's a stupid law and it needs to be trashed. If we had such a law up
here and a loud-mouthed troublemaker like one of our short posters here
walked into my hard, I could shoot and kill him and claim I felt
threatened, no matter whether I felt that way or not, even if he were
"armed" with nothing more than a can of soda and a bag of chips. That's
not the way a civilized society is supposed to be.

On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching


Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...

On 3/26/12 12:46 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/26/2012 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching


Once you have shaprton and farakahn involved, it can be noting else.
Neither one can pass up an opportunity to make a few dollars, a few
speeches, and stay at some nifty hotels...


You really need to keep your moron instincts at bay, little toad.

On 3/26/2012 12:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching



Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft
drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that
the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to
date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend.

The "stand your ground" law in Florida is nothing more than a payoff to
the NRA, and it leads to homicides in which it is difficult if not
impossible to prosecute the perpetrators.

There is no need for stand your ground laws. If someone breaks into your
house, you can shoot him in Florida. If you can fog a mirror, you can
get a carry permit in Florida. If you are seriously threatened on the
street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending
yourself.

It's a stupid law and it needs to be trashed. If we had such a law up
here and a loud-mouthed troublemaker like one of our short posters here
walked into my hard, I could shoot and kill him and claim I felt
threatened, no matter whether I felt that way or not, even if he were
"armed" with nothing more than a can of soda and a bag of chips. That's
not the way a civilized society is supposed to be.


If someone gains entry to your house by breaking in, Are you going to
shoot him? A simple yes or no will do.
--
http://tinyurl.com/75bq9db

On 3/26/12 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:08:31 -0400, wrote:



If someone gains entry to your house by breaking in, Are you going to
shoot him? A simple yes or no will do.

A more relevant question is if Harry got out of his car to get a
better look at a street sign in the rain and some 17 year old jumped
him because the kid didn't like the way Harry was looking at him,
would Harry shoot?


I've been getting out of cars in the rain in bad neighborhoods for more
than 40 years. So far, no one has "jumped" me, so it isn't something
about which I worry.

On 3/26/2012 2:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:08:31 -0400, wrote:



If someone gains entry to your house by breaking in, Are you going to
shoot him? A simple yes or no will do.

A more relevant question is if Harry got out of his car to get a
better look at a street sign in the rain and some 17 year old jumped
him because the kid didn't like the way Harry was looking at him,
would Harry shoot?

As long as he didn't have to look the kid in the face...

On 3/26/2012 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching



Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft
drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that
the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to
date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend.

Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman,

If you are seriously threatened on the
street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending
yourself.


What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground
case at all.

The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not
death)"

Zimmerman sustained bodily harm.

How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate
someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the
ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are
consistent with that story.
Witness says
White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and
getting pummeled
Evidence shows
Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE
hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose.

Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call.

I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but
those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when
anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked
Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in
the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric.

It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that
they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we
know now.

Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him?
Was his hoodie dirty?
What was the bullet trajectory?
Are there any more witnesses or even a video?

At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a
shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough
hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far.

I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is
what it would be.


Great level headed write up Greg...

On Monday, March 26, 2012 2:22:41 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 12:17:55 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 3/26/12 12:03 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 00:48:58 -0700, wrote:

You're backwards from what I've read. It was Martin that was calling
for help and Zimmerman who was doing the straddling.

The guy in the white shirt (hoodie?)was on top. Zimmerman had a red
shirt

Whatever the case, Zimmerman was told to stand down and wait for
officers to arrive.

He was told "we don't NEED you to do that". Not "don't do that" or
even we don't "want" you to do that.


Stand your ground will not be a successful
defense and will get overturned in your state legislature.

Bad, stupid law.

If Zimmerman's story is right, he wasn't standing his ground, he was
trying to get back in his truck. (retreating)
That is why I am waiting to see what the FBI says.
We have had a lot of people using inflammatory rhetoric without
hearing one defense witness or even hearing the defendant's story.
That is not justice. It is a lynching



Zimmerman murdered a kid wearing a hooded sweatshirt and carrying a soft
drink and a bag of candy. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that
the kid was in any way threatening the shooter. In fact, the evidence to
date indicates the kid was chatting on his cellphone with his girlfriend..

Martin's last words in that chat are Martin challenging Zimmerman,

If you are seriously threatened on the
street, and let the prosecutors try to prove you weren't defending
yourself.


What the defense is going to say. This may not be a stand your ground
case at all.

The original self defense law says "fear imminent bodily "harm" (not
death)"

Zimmerman sustained bodily harm.

How long would you and the rest of the pistolaros here tolerate
someone over you beating you up while you are on your back on the
ground. The physical evidence and all of the witness statements are
consistent with that story.
Witness says
White shirt on top of another guy who is crying like a child and
getting pummeled
Evidence shows
Grass and dirt on the back of Zimmernans RED shirt, Martin's WHITE
hoodie, the cut on the back of Zimmerman's head and the bloody nose.

Martin's father said that was not his son's voice on the 911 call.

I am still waiting to see what all of this investigation turns up but
those are the facts as I have seen them. I know it is tragic when
anyone dies but actions have consequences. If martin attacked
Zimmerman for following him, this is not what has been presented in
the media and they will need to walk back a lot of this rhetoric.

It is unlikely that the Florida courts would find him guilty even that
they return an indictment unless we find out a whole lot more than we
know now.

Did Martin have any injuries indicating Zimmerman hit him?
Was his hoodie dirty?
What was the bullet trajectory?
Are there any more witnesses or even a video?

At the end of the day it is up to the prosecutor to prove, without a
shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman's story is not true, That is a tough
hill to climb with the evidence we have seen so far.

I suppose Holder could prosecute him for a thought crime but that is
what it would be.

The MSM just loves to sensationlize this kind of stuff, and they are good at it. Just look at the NG fish they have already convinced that the incident happened a certain way, when the facts are not even known yet.

We had an infamous incident a few years ago where a young girl that had been missing for a few days suddenly showed up, claimimg to have been kidnapped and held at an underground bunker by some guy that lived nearby. The guy and the bunker were real, so the media declared him guilty on a dfaily basis and the general public demanded swift "justice".

Only problem was... after some time went by and the investigation got serious, the girl's story fell apart. She finally admitted that she'd just run away from home, broke into the bunker, and hid out there until she realized she'd screwed up. So she fabricated the story and staged the "getaway" to cover her butt.

Of course at that point, the guy was an outcast and had pretty much lost everything. At least they sold some papers and the evening news ratings went up.