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On 2/29/12 12:55 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 12:43 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/29/12 12:33 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 12:24 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/29/12 12:08 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 2/29/2012 12:03 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 2/29/12 11:48 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:35:15 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 2/28/12 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:35:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Cigarette smoke is not one of those trade-off thingies you like
so much.
It's like Hitler...there's no reason to compromise about
it...it's all
bad and *anything* that can be done to eliminate cigarettes
is a
good
thing.

We just have to hope the environmental weenies do not use second
hand
smoke as a precedent (infinitesimally small trace amounts of a
chemical) to come after our BOATS (just to stay on topic). No
matter
how clean burning your engine is, there are still trace
amounts of
all
sorts of chemicals in the exhaust. They could even cite the
fiberglass
that out gases for years or the paints and preservatives used on
wood.
Bottom paint is a super fund site compared to SHS.
Somehow I bet you think these are all harmless because they meet
some
threshold limit value..

I can't do much more than giggle at your attempts to build your
case
here. Sorry.

It is simply because you refuse to accept your prejudice.

Nah. The general disdain for cigarettes isn't going to portmanteau
into
general disdain for boats.

You must not have manatees up there in "Cawlvert county". There is a
very vocal group around here who would ban all power boats in vast
stretches of water. They will use any kind of junk science that
becomes available. If they ever figure out you can set the threshold
limit value of emissions to zero like we have done with tobacco
smoke,
power boats could go the way of asbestos pot holders.

Your problems with manatees and manatee lovers is not "general
disdain"
for boats or boaters. We have lots of active boaters up here, and
I've
not seen much aimed at curtailing the activities of those who behave
responsibly on the water.

Who gets to decide whats responsible activity on the water? Someone
who
loves powerboats, someone who loves sailboats, or the guy who has a
home
on the water and only wants kayaks out there?

To a degree, all the stakeholders should have some say. As an example,
if you live on a moderately sized lake and suddenly there is an
infestation of unmuffled "penis" boats zooming close by your house
every
Sunday morning at 8 am, you should have input into whether that sort of
behavior is "responsible." When we lived in the St. Augustine area near
the ICW, I was part of an effort to "ban" airboats from the shallow
estuaries and marshlands in the immediate area because of their noise
and the physical damage they were doing. The owners of these boats were
not acting responsibly. Note I didn't say banned from the waterways.

So, penis boats are bad for you... What if all the homeowners on the
lake have them but you?

Then, what if you have a sailboat and the rest of the folks are
fishermen who hate sailboats moving in and around them while they were
fishing.

The lake we went to on the shoreline was a home to a skulling team. The
only accident we ever had on that lake was when they hit my wifes row
boat because they didn't think she was moving fast enough across the
lake.... I say skulls are the most annoying and dangerous, mostly
because of the assholes in them... So, who gets to decide again?

The operative word was "responsibly." If they understand the nuances of
that word, the operators of noisy boats wouldn't start their noise
pollution so early on a weekend morning, eh?

There have to be rules and regulations. Otherwise, you have the anarchy
of libertarianism.

Don't care to address the sailboats going over fishing lines, or the
skulls arrogantly trying to bully their way to a private lake??

The operative word "responsibly" applies to all the stakeholders. I said
that at the beginning. Therefore, it applies to fishermen, sailboaters,
and those sculling their way to a private lake.

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