On 12/29/2011 11:45 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:23 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/29/11 10:09 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-West-2-people-rescued-return-to-Ft-Myers



According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

It is a recipe for disaster to shorten the scope of the anchor line
and tug from the stern. Hell, anchoring from the stern isn't a good
idea, either, and for them same reasons.

I wonder how close to being drug under water the stern was, before the
stretchy rode yanked them back.

This guy isn't "unlucky", he's just stupid.


The boat in question was a 33-footer, thus pretty much putting the
kibash on W'hine's attempt to troll.


Wayne already caught his fish, you.

Let's keep this boating thread going.

http://www.tidalfish.com/forums/show...-sinking-boats


I like the first comment:

"I can tell you this much, if the insurance refurbishes my boat, the
first thing I will have done is the transmom being re-done and a
outboard engine tray added.

The salvage company operator stated that 90% of the swamped boats he
recovers are boats that have notched tansoms, I am shocked at how easily
my boat rolled."

Guess it's a trade off. There are always problems when you use the wrong
or a poorly designed tool. People get hurt.

On 12/29/11 11:53 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/29/2011 11:45 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/29/2011 10:23 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/29/11 10:09 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-West-2-people-rescued-return-to-Ft-Myers




According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

It is a recipe for disaster to shorten the scope of the anchor line
and tug from the stern. Hell, anchoring from the stern isn't a good
idea, either, and for them same reasons.

I wonder how close to being drug under water the stern was, before the
stretchy rode yanked them back.

This guy isn't "unlucky", he's just stupid.


The boat in question was a 33-footer, thus pretty much putting the
kibash on W'hine's attempt to troll.


Wayne already caught his fish, you.

Let's keep this boating thread going.

http://www.tidalfish.com/forums/show...-sinking-boats



I like the first comment:

"I can tell you this much, if the insurance refurbishes my boat, the
first thing I will have done is the transmom being re-done and a
outboard engine tray added.

The salvage company operator stated that 90% of the swamped boats he
recovers are boats that have notched tansoms, I am shocked at how easily
my boat rolled."

Guess it's a trade off. There are always problems when you use the wrong
or a poorly designed tool. People get hurt.



Of course, a duck landing next to the bitty boats you once built would
swamp them.

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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:43:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-West-2-people-rescued-return-to-Ft-Myers

According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

This must just be a Pinellas County thing. We have had two of these in
a couple years. (the football guys)
I assume you watched this in the news too. The mate said the rode
"snapped back" implying it dragged the boat backward and down.
They must have really had a strain on it, probably taking a running
start.
It really sounds like a roadrunner cartoon to me.

===

I wonder how many more of these "anchored by the stern sinkings" have
occurred that we've never heard about because the guys were lost?

We got an anchor caught under a log down in Little Shark River a few
years ago on the trawler. I locked off the chain and pulled it out
with the engines in reverse, probably generating close to 5,000 pounds
of thrust. The bow must have dipped down at least a foot before the
anchor broke free and that's with a 70,000 pound boat.

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:43:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-West-2-people-rescued-return-to-Ft-Myers

According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

This must just be a Pinellas County thing. We have had two of these in
a couple years. (the football guys)
I assume you watched this in the news too. The mate said the rode
"snapped back" implying it dragged the boat backward and down.
They must have really had a strain on it, probably taking a running
start.
It really sounds like a roadrunner cartoon to me.

I like it! :)

On 12/29/11 6:40 PM, Happy JH wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:43:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 01:33:27 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-12-28/Boat-sinks-off-Key-West-2-people-rescued-return-to-Ft-Myers

According to the news report they pulled the anchor from the stern
after it became stuck.

"We put it back on the stern to bring it up and we had power on it
and when we had let go, it snatched back and the waves filled the
stern up with water"

It's not clear if it was a low transom boat or not but it sounds like
it might have been.

They were saved by their EPIRB and life raft.

This must just be a Pinellas County thing. We have had two of these in
a couple years. (the football guys)
I assume you watched this in the news too. The mate said the rode
"snapped back" implying it dragged the boat backward and down.
They must have really had a strain on it, probably taking a running
start.
It really sounds like a roadrunner cartoon to me.

I like it! :)

You like it that two guys might have drowned?

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On 12/29/2011 6:45 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to stop posting this crap?

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:59:56 -0500, Oscar wrote:

On 12/29/2011 6:45 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to stop posting this crap?

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It's all he's got, that and a lifetime of self inflicted, bitter
memories.

On 12/29/2011 6:59 PM, Oscar wrote:
On 12/29/2011 6:45 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to stop posting this crap?

He won't. Harry is a progressive, which means he is only concerned with
his own satisfaction. He considers this place his, and will never stop
until somebody kills him or he suffocates in his own puke...

On 12/29/11 7:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:59:56 -0500, wrote:

On 12/29/2011 6:45 PM, X ` Man wrote:
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.

When are you going to stop posting this crap?

===

It's all he's got, that and a lifetime of self inflicted, bitter
memories.


Oooohweeee...the sig apparently annoys flajim, aka Oscar.

Actually, whiney, er, wayney, er, whatever, virtually all
my lifetime of memories are very pleasant. In fact, they've actually
gotten more pleasant as I have re-connected with a slew of friends
from my youthful days in Connecticut. Our annual reunion next year is
going to be so large, we may have to hold it at a nightclub or a hotel
ballroom. Until this year, I'd only been in touch with about two dozen
old buds...now that number is well over 100.

You're a funny boy, wayney...and very very selective in whom you try to
castigate. Most of your trolls and petty insults are aimed at those to
the left of you, and you give most of your dirtbag rightie buddies a
hall pass.

So, best wishes for the new year, fella...



My innocent and truthful little slams against the right wing will
continue for as long as the righties here behave badly. Your boy "Oscar"
is one of the worst.



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X ` Man wrote:
On 12/29/11 11:02 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:35:21 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

The boat in question was a 33-footer, thus pretty much putting the
kibash on W'hine's attempt to troll.

===

In all seriousness the incident does raise important questions about
what type of boat was involved. Pulling a stuck anchor from the
stern is obviously a dubious practice but most 33 footers would not be
sunk as a result. Was the transom too low or motor well protection
not in place? Insufficient or non-existent self bailing scuppers?
Insuficient protection from cabin down flooding?



Since we don't yet know what the boat in question was, perhaps the
real issue is the stupidity of trying to raise a *really stuck* anchor
from the stern or under many circumstances from the bow. There are
techniques that can help, but sometimes the damned just isn't going to
come loose no matter what you do from the surface. If you are doing
natural reef or artificial structure fishing, you're going to get a
hard stuck anchor from time to time. Rather than risking the boat or
ripping off deck hardware not designed for the stress of pulling up a
hard stuck anchor, the best bet is to cut the line.

When I fished the St. Augustine inlet area, I knew I'd lose a couple
of anchors there a season. After the first season, I stopped buying
the more expensive "Danforth" branded anchors and went for the less
expensive imitators.

A couple - EACH SEASON? I've left ONE behind in 20+ years of boating.
You obviously don't know how to anchor properly in the first place.
Choosing the right location is the first step - the one you missed.

-HB