On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.


Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

On Nov 20, 8:47*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 8:47*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

On Nov 21, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

On 11/21/11 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 21, 12:11 pm, John wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.


My 4Runner gets 23+ mpg at highway speeds.

On Nov 21, 5:26*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/21/11 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 21, 12:11 pm, John *wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), *wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com * *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. *Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. *Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

My 4Runner gets 23+ mpg at highway speeds.

Maybe so. I had 4 runner on the brain But I was thinking of the
Highlander. so I confess... I goofed.

?;^ )

On 11/21/11 6:33 PM, Tim wrote:
On Nov 21, 5:26 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/21/11 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 21, 12:11 pm, John wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

My 4Runner gets 23+ mpg at highway speeds.

Maybe so. I had 4 runner on the brain But I was thinking of the
Highlander. so I confess... I goofed.

?;^ )

The highlander should get better mileage...it is smaller and lighter
than the 4runner and has a v6 engine. On my recent trip to Connecticut,
we were averaging 30+ mpg in a Chevy Impala, a "full-sized" sedan with a
V6 engine.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:33:58 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 21, 5:26*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/21/11 6:10 PM, Tim wrote:









On Nov 21, 12:11 pm, John *wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), *wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com * *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. *Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. *Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

My 4Runner gets 23+ mpg at highway speeds.

Maybe so. I had 4 runner on the brain But I was thinking of the
Highlander. so I confess... I goofed.

?;^ )

The six cylinder 4Runner got much better mileage at highway speeds. But, the towing capacity was
only about half of the V8's.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:10:31 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 21, 12:11*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:04 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 8:47*pm, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 11/20/11 9:40 PM, Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:50 pm, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 11/20/11 7:29 PM, North Star wrote:

On Nov 20, 6:31 pm, John * *wrote:
OK, some folks want to call it a 'truck'.

Yup, looks like a truck to me. Same color as Don's too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5...5fa4233b_b.jpg

Duh!
That is a 1st generation model.
My model is more like your wife's Highlander in size.
Sorry to disappoint you but my colour is a bronze/brown..........
pyrite mica to be exact.

Herring bought a truck four times the size he needed to tow his boat. D'oh.

And/or his camper. There's a good reason why too. Pulling his camper
with the Highlander the fuel mileage was anywhere from 8-12 mpg. the
diesel pickup gets double the mileage pulling either one, plus you not
only gain on the braking factor, but also the pulling response behind
a duramax is like the truck isn't pulling anything. *Better safety,
better economy, less wear and tear and less carbon footprint.

good decision.

Depends on how often and how far one tows one's camper, eh?

Well, from D.C. to Arizona and back. *I'd say that's a pretty long
haul. *Can't speak for them but I think they may be doing it again
next year. If it was me doing the towing, I'd much rather have a heavy
truck instead of a small SUV.

Poor Harry. Tries so hard.

You're right about the travel trailer. The diesel is much more economical, getting almost 50% better
mileage than the 4Runner.

Next time we come through your way we'll probably be pulling a fifth wheel. Looking at Open Range
models.

I was going to say. I'm not sure about your situation, but last time I
heard, the GM Duramax's are getting 19-22 mpg on the highways, and the
4 runners were lucky to get about 18 mpg. at 4 lane speeds. Odd that a
way heavier vehicle would get better (per ratio) fuel economy. Heck,
my 95 Lincoln town car gets 26 on the road and my wife's Honda CRV
averages at 27.5. Doesn't make sense but that's how it is.

BTW, when I had my 96 Dodge Cummins, I was getting about 20 mpg on the
road and had no problem parking anywhere I needed to.

I think the parking thing is all in how well your dad, or grandpa in my case, taught you how to
park. I've never had a problem either.

It is a wonder how a 6.6 liter diesel can get better mileage than a 5.6 liter gasser, but they do.

BTW, here's the RV we're getting pretty serious about:

http://www.dennisdillonrv.com/used/O...44b088988d.htm

or: http://tinyurl.com/6lsgz7x

The price isn't bad. They don't make the smaller ones, like this, anymore. Now they're all over 30
feet.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:10:55 -0500, John H
wrote:

It is a wonder how a 6.6 liter diesel can get better mileage than a 5.6 liter gasser, but they do.

===

There's no magic to it, just the laws of physics. Diesel fuel has
more BTUs per gallon and diesel engines operate at a much higher
compression ratio. In addition a diesel engine does not operate
against the constriction of a throttle plate. The rule of thumb is
that a diesel engine will burn about 1 gallon per hour for every 17 or
18 horsepower. A gas engine burns 1 gallon per hour for every 10 hp.