On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, jps wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

In article ,
says...

On 10/27/2011 4:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:09:07 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:25:48 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:04:57 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:14:23 -0700, wrote:

Paranoid city officials tightening people's ability to peacefully
assemble on public property...


Since when has "camping" been "speech"?

These people are being told to leave the park at night when they are
supposed to be closed.
Are we going to set the precedent that anyone can sleep in city parks
if they claim to have something to say?
People, go home and come back tomorrow when the park opens again.
Nobody is going to be there at 3AM to hear your protest but the cops
and maybe a few vagrants.

They were marching in the street, heading towards the park. Your
argument has nothing to do with the right to peacfully assemble.

Was the park they were heading for supposed to be closed?

Come on, Greg. That's really a flimsy argument.

They were protesting, walking on public streets. You cannot arrest
them, beat them up or fire a tear gas cannisters at their heads for
what they might do.

Not what they might do, what they were doing. Marching on Police....

How does one "march on police"? They were marching down the street, much
like the teapartiers do.

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, Drifter wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul.

On 10/28/2011 9:21 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/28/11 9:13 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:54:43 -0400, wrote:

On 10/28/2011 7:01 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Yes, and earlier this week I read a long list of "demands," really no
different than a political party platform, being circulated. I didn't
save it, but it was interesting and far-reaching and would result in a
restructuring of our society so that human needs finally outweighed
"property rights."



That would certainly upset your applecart. I can just see you giving up
your propery to satisfy others human needs. You must think its a great
idea so long as *YOU* are exempt.

If you don't have a Ducati, you can't give up your Ducati.

If you don't have compassion, you don't have a soul.

Who told you that? Couldn't have been an athiest or an agnostic.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.

On 10/28/11 11:18 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:29:59 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/28/11 4:01 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:15:21 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:15:30 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:32:37 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:09 -0700, wrote:


The city had erected a chain-link fence around the plaza in the
morning, and workers were mowing the grass and sweeping up remnants of
the encampment that was dismantled the day before. After the
encampment was cleared Tuesday, protesters began marching toward City
Hall in an attempt to re-establish a presence in the area of the
disbanded camp.

They went overboard. There was no threat to property, lives, etc.

You just don't like the message, aparently.

I haven't heard the message. This is just a rabble lashing out in the
dark at boogie men they can't even define. Why don't they go down and
protest in front of their doctor's office. He is a 1 percenter who is
driving up the cost of medical care, as are the 1 percenter lawyers.
Why not protest Apple, Microsoft and Google who made billions selling
them their gadgets while shipping all the jobs offshore?
If they are ****ed about their $100,000 college loan, why not protest
in front of the college that took all that money and still sent them
out into the world without any job skills?
I doubt anyone at the Oakland City Hall did anything to cause all of
their problems yet they are the ones who are having to tolerate the
protesters.

You just want to bitch instead of finding out what they're protesting.

They want to get the money out of politics and its effect on how the
country is run.

That simple enough for you?

I have signed the Ratigan get the money out petition.
That appears to be a small part of the complaints in OWS.

It's central to the movement.


Here's the document I saw...it's a good beginning...

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

Notice the first three points are about dealing with money in
politics.


It's a huge part of our current political problems.