Out of curiosity, why do you suppose the bayliner web includes a pic of a
4.3 litre motor?

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
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Hi Trevor,
Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The
Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on
amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on
which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive.

The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It
includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can
save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as
upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find
the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value
much longer.

Capt Frank


Trevor wrote:
Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback
from this fine group on the following two boats?

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm

Thanks much...

tcGb,
-trevor

WaIIy wrote:

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 16:24:46 GMT, "Don Pulaski"
wrote:

Of course, I have no idea whether you even have a boat, Wally. Are you a
boater, or just one of the Neo-Con-Vict riff-raff that bespoils this
newsgroup?

LOL !

This is coming from a man with a pirate on his (suposed) boat.

You can take the hillbilly out of the hills, etc.


You seem to take the pirate cartoon on one of my boats awfully
seriously, Wally. Did a pirate ravage one of your ancestors?

Everyone who sees Yo Ho grins at the artwork and the name. Exactly my
intention.

I missed the part where you described your boat...


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There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman,

Oh, Harry. I'll bet you $20 against a Krispy Kreme that somewhere in Chapman's
it counsels "Don't put out into severe weather." That's what the issue is in
this discussion.

Yes, if you get caught in bad weather there are steps to take to improve your
degree of safety.

I'm from the old school. A school that's so darn old that I don't know of
hardly anyboy that says, "If I do all the things I would do when caught in a
severe storm *before* leaving the dock, I can then smartly and safely venture
out into bad weather on a pleasure cruise."

Pass the Tostitos, please.

Gould 0738 wrote:

There's a chapter for neophytes like you in Chapman,

Oh, Harry. I'll bet you $20 against a Krispy Kreme that somewhere in Chapman's
it counsels "Don't put out into severe weather." That's what the issue is in
this discussion.

No bet. I'm sure there is. I don't go out if the weather is bad. Hell, I
was going to go out today, but even though the sun was shining, it was
only 42F at 8 am. If I wanted to boat in Seattle in the summertime, I'd
move near you!


Yes, if you get caught in bad weather there are steps to take to improve your
degree of safety.

Indeed, and there's a chapter about it in Chapman. Which is why I aimed
the fellow in that direction.



I'm from the old school. A school that's so darn old that I don't know of
hardly anyboy that says, "If I do all the things I would do when caught in a
severe storm *before* leaving the dock, I can then smartly and safely venture
out into bad weather on a pleasure cruise."

Pass the Tostitos, please.



Are those sudden onset Tositos?

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Capt. Frank,

I think boats need to be matched up to a captain and a body of water.
Perhaps more so to the captain. My brother in law has a 23 foot Bayliner
Ciera. I always been impressed with the usable room and all the amenities
for the price he paid. The problem is he boats on Lake St. Clair in
Michigan. This is a large shallow body of water, which on weekends has a
steady chop of 3 to 4 feet. Also he generally subscribes to two speeds,
idle and pedal to the metal. Consequently his boat has a lot of spidered
gelcoat. Now if perhaps he had a Fountain offshore racer or he was a mellow
sort of a driver or he operated on calmer waters, there wouldn't be a
problem........

Paul

"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
link.net...
Hi Trevor,
Basically there is no comparison. We are talking apples and oranges. The
Bayliner "Capri" is an entry level boat. Thin hull! A little short on
amenities, Spartan really, and a 4 cyl 130 hp or 135 hp (depends on
which engine is installed) coupled with a basic alpha drive.

The Larson is a high end, well built boat, with a fine reputation. It
includes a 6 cyl 190 hp, and other amenities such as dual batteries (can
save you a tow) and pump-out head. You will also find the items such as
upholstery and in dash instruments are a better quality. You will find
the Larson is a safer, much better built boat which will hold its value
much longer.

Capt Frank


Trevor wrote:
Given both in good condition (survey etc) - might I get some feedback
from this fine group on the following two boats?

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/2/50710772.htm

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/4/8/40244748.htm

Thanks much...

tcGb,
-trevor

Can't say. Haven't been on Lake michigan. Minimizing weather is not
traveling directly from A to B , but changing course to take the waves
in a manner that maintains the highest degree of maneuveraqbility,
comfort or maybe even speed. Minimizing weather could also be changing
course to take advantage of safe passage on the lee side of an obstruct
(e.g island) On a trip it may necessitate having other waypoints
configured as contingency safe harbors. I guess it's not as clear cut
absolute as I made it sound, so YYMV. Sorry.

With regards to my boat, and where I boat, which I thought was near
where the bayliner 20 poster ran his boat, here's some example of what
I do.


For the 15 mile north-south I routinely travel from South Bass Island
to my Marina;

Heavy Wind/Water out of the south: Travel 1/3 SSW putting the weather
off the bow. Travel SSE 1/3 past the SW shore of Kellys. When you
enter the Sandusky Bay inlet you near shore and waves are dimished.


Heavy Wind/Water out of the North: Travel 1/3 SSW putting the weather
off the stern. Travel SSE 1/3 past the SW shore of Kellys. As you
enter the inley for Sandusky Bay, you will be in the lee.

Winds out of the west: The majority of weather is out of near shore.

Winds out of the east: Weather is off of the far shore. Rough for the
first three miles but seas are on the beam. Head SE to Kellys Western
Shore. Hug the shore, regain your breath, then hold on for that last
mile.








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wrote:

Bob Dimond-

Sorry, Gould, but I don't completely agree. First of all I'm not
telling
people to make a crossing in gale force winds. Second a small boat can
handle quite a bit IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MINIMIZE WEATHER ON YOUR BOAT!


df-

So how does one minimize weather on a boat? Say a 24' Sedan cruiser on
Lake Michigan?

I should note that I'll take these manueuvers and others in anything
larger than six feet. Anythng less, and I can usually travel the
straight course, but that by no means infers that its a relaxing trip.

Besides fuel and other provisions (e.g. food water, SO's tolerance)
needed for the longer cruise. Sometimes its really a judgement call.
Adjust course to increase the variables I've mentioned, or stand on and
take it, and get it over with.

An example, I once took the Trophy in 5-7 foot rollers out of the
Detroit channel almost straight at greatly reduced speed (10-12mph)
because the winds were 50 miles out of my direction of travel. It
meant two hours of discomfort with the only reassurance that the further
you travel the more diminished the weather. It was the repeated as my
Mantra. By the time we got to South Bass, we were in great shape. We
got home to Sandusky withing an hour of a HUGE storm. I'll stand by my
decision to travel the straight.

Bob

BOB wrote:

An example, I once took the Trophy in 5-7 foot rollers out of the
Detroit channel almost straight at greatly reduced speed (10-12mph)
because the winds were 50 miles out of my direction of travel.


Are you referring to your 16' Trophy?

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"Capt. Frank Hopkins" wrote in message link.net...
Hey Trevor,
One last thing. Safety first! If you are new to boating, or even if you
are not, I heartly recommend a USCG boating safety class. Remember, as
Captain, you are both legally and morally responsible for the lives of
your passengers.

You will find some info about children's & pet's life jackets, and some
basic abandon ship info on my personal website. Please feel free to make
use of the information. There are also some pictures from Chuck Gould's
voyage log.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks

Capt. Frank


Thanks much for the insight - FYI the Bayliner does have a 6 not a 4
but your description of the two was exactly what I was looking for.
I've been around boats for the better part of 15 years although never
owned my own. Biggest I've driven to date though was a 19' Bowrider
and was looking to move up as well as slowly moving my activities from
inland PA lakes to the Upper Chesapeake. (whole other world I'm
finding out, starting slow though).

Thanks again.

-trevor

That's what the issue is in
this discussion.


Funny, I thought the issue in this discussion was comparing 2 boats. Who knew?