On 05/09/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:


The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up 13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you haven't
been very successful in doing so.


Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.


Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Liable to get worse too. Bernanke will print more money, creating more
hidden inflation, people will acquire less stuff, so fewer jobs are
needed. Pretty good chance like Japan's lost decades this will continue
for the foreseeable future.

--
If it is all Bush's fault, then how come Obama is doing much more of the
same and expecting different results?

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 14:32:49 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 05/09/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 09:56:01 -0400, BeachBum"not a
wrote:

On 9/5/2011 1:23 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:18:25 -0700, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:42:21 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 11:33:39 -0700, wrote:


The fact is, unemployment was 7.3% on 1/1/09 and it is 9.1% now.
BLS says there was no net job creation last month.

I am not sure what data they cherry picked to create those charts.

They're called facts. Those are the things that were "cherry picked."

You have a chart showing job growth and unemployment went up 13.14%
(For the math challenged, 9.1 - 7.3 = 1.8 7.3/1.8 = 13.14%)

You have to be very careful to reject a lot of facts and only use the
ones that result in your agenda, AKA "cherry picking", to produce that
chart.

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but the chart in
question clearly shows that job growth has been pretty steadily
climbing since Jan. 09. No "unemployment" numbers chart was included,
so you're getting that from somewhere else. That's fine, but there is
likely only a correlation between job growth and unemployment not a
causation effect.

As I said, these three charts are hard to dispute. So far, you haven't
been very successful in doing so.


Job growth is not keeping up with population growth but if you
actually did "tons of research"(or any research at all) you would
know that. Instead you just post things you get in an Email and call
them facts.

http://metricmash.com/unemployment.a...de=LNS13327709

If you look at Labor force participation rate you will see some
surprising statistics.


Yup that is scary. Look at the crash since the end of the housing
bubble. There isn't even a significant bump since the end of 2008. All
the housing boom did was flatten the curve a little. It has really
been falling since the end of the tech bubble.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Liable to get worse too. Bernanke will print more money, creating more
hidden inflation, people will acquire less stuff, so fewer jobs are
needed. Pretty good chance like Japan's lost decades this will continue
for the foreseeable future.

You are not liable to get dumber. That's really not possible.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

Companies like GE, IBM, John Deere, Caterpillar, Honeywell, Johnson
Controls, Beckman Instruments, Boeing, United Technologies, etc., are
all manufacturing and exporting like crazy, but you can't export what
the world doesn't need. The technology and product have to be unique,
and the price has to be right. Our best and brightest are studying to
be lawyers and investment bankers however, my kids included.
Engineers and scientists have not been rewarded in proportion to their
education, skills and contribution and that is taking a toll.

On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


--
I'd much rather be a champion of the powerless than a lickspittle of the
powerful.

On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red
head with the fake smile.

On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red
head with the fake smile.

Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she
must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she
is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees.

On 9/6/2011 3:41 PM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red
head with the fake smile.

Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she
must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she is
going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees.

A little harsh on the old gal, aren't you?

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:41:18 -0400, Your Name Here wrote:

On 9/6/11 12:10 PM, BeachBum wrote:
On 9/6/2011 11:26 AM, Your Name Here wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 9/6/11 10:18 AM, wrote:

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

That's too bad. He was probably bright enough to do something useful.


http://ncsss.cua.edu/degree-field/phd/2011grads.cfm

Harry, tell us about your beautiful young bride.

Not a pleasant looking face in the bunch. I counted 4 chins on the red
head with the fake smile.

Yup, I guess Harry figures that was the best he had ever had, so she
must be beautiful. Damn Dr. Karen Grear is a dog. I wonder when she
is going to finish the rest of her Dr. Dr. degrees.

See Wayne's comment above.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 10:18:15 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:04:49 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:10:40 -0400, wrote:

We really need to find something we can export so we can get some of
our money coming back here.

Companies like GE, IBM, John Deere, Caterpillar, Honeywell, Johnson
Controls, Beckman Instruments, Boeing, United Technologies, etc., are
all manufacturing and exporting like crazy, but you can't export what
the world doesn't need.

Caterpillar is building their equipment in China, as is IBM. I can't
speak to the other companies but I bet if you look at the boxes the
parts come from it won't say made in the USA.
The fact remains our exports are far exceeded by our imports.
Until we start repatriating more of our dollars, we are just moving
the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

As usual, you can't even support your own arguments. Our exports
exceed our imports? Actually, it's the reverse, but it's not "far
exceeded". It's about $1.3T export to about $2T import.

The technology and product have to be unique,
and the price has to be right. Our best and brightest are studying to
be lawyers and investment bankers however, my kids included.

My son in law is in law school too. He said he is tired of being poor,
trying to save the environment and he is switching sides.
As they say about lawyers. "you can do good or you can do well, pick
one"

So, your son quit. Feel free to promote him as a chip off the old
block.

Engineers and scientists have not been rewarded in proportion to their
education, skills and contribution and that is taking a toll.

H1Bs are hurting that a lot but the real problem is Dilbert's cubicle
can be anywhere in the world these days.

My son in law's sister is doing OK as a PE but she has the stamp.

H1Bs are NOT hurting a lot. More nonsense xenophobia dredged up by the
right.